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Expanding the phone/image/cw segments and the shrinking of the traditional CW segments seems like a logical first step. Although, since the kept the extra 25kc at the bottom 80, 40, 20, & 15 for Extra, it seems like they may do away with the code requirement for General, but not Extra.
Anyone else see this as a prelude to the end of code testing, at least for General?
73
Joe
N3PAQ
N5PVL
11-16-2006, 06:45 PM
No, and to be honest I can't get too interested in worrying about it right now.
PLEASE..............Not again!!!!
Tom kcØw
I don't.
But I would like to see them at least keep the code for Extra, as would many people.
W3MIV
11-16-2006, 06:59 PM
Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Nov. 16 2006,14:41)]Anyone else see this as a prelude to the end of code testing, at least for General?
They have already indicated that they plan to do away with code testing "at least for General."
Been away?
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Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Nov. 16 2006,11:59)]Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Nov. 16 2006,14:41)]Anyone else see this as a prelude to the end of code testing, at least for General?
They have already indicated that they plan to do away with code testing "at least for General."
Been away?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I've heard the rumors but they haven't released any rule changes regarding code testing just yet. Now that I've seen the current rule changes, I'm inclined to think that they are more likely to drop the code requirements than I thought before. I'm just curious if anyone else sees it the same way.
Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Nov. 16 2006,11:41)]Expanding the phone/image/cw segments and the shrinking of the traditional CW segments seems like a logical first step. Although, since the kept the extra 25kc at the bottom 80, 40, 20, & 15 for Extra, it seems like they may do away with the code requirement for General, but not Extra.
Anyone else see this as a prelude to the end of code testing, at least for General?
73
Joe
N3PAQ
With the expansion of the Advanced and Extra segments out of proportion to General, it seems like they expect a migration from General to Extra. I believe keeping the code test for Extra would cause such a migration.
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 16 2006,12:12)]With the expansion of the Advanced and Extra segments out of proportion to General, it seems like they expect a migration from General to Extra. I believe keeping the code test for Extra would cause such a migration.
That is a pretty good point. I should have upgraded to Extra a long long time ago.
KD6NIG
11-16-2006, 07:34 PM
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Now converted to:
The code/no code threads will continue till we all go nuts http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Nov. 16 2006,12:34)]The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Now converted to:
The code/no code threads will continue till we all go nuts http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I wouldn't say it has degenerated to code/no code just yet. I see you've been a NCT for 14 years, I was for 12 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 16 2006,14:12)]Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Nov. 16 2006,11:41)]Expanding the phone/image/cw segments and the shrinking of the traditional CW segments seems like a logical first step. Although, since the kept the extra 25kc at the bottom 80, 40, 20, & 15 for Extra, it seems like they may do away with the code requirement for General, but not Extra.
Anyone else see this as a prelude to the end of code testing, at least for General?
73
Joe
N3PAQ
With the expansion of the Advanced and Extra segments out of proportion to General, it seems like they expect a migration from General to Extra. I believe keeping the code test for Extra would cause such a migration.
I guess I'm not following, but why would people upgrade to extra because of the code test?
w8znx
11-16-2006, 07:40 PM
we are right
you are wrong
we are right
you are wrong
we know better than you do
no you do not
oh yes we do
oh no you don't
you are not a real ham
yes we are
you are old farts that are holding back ham radio
no we are saving ham radio from the unwashed masses
you don't know what you are talkin about
yes we do and you are living in the past
you young dip blanks can kiss my blank
no you can kiss my blank
you are smelly old timers
you are wet behind the ears young squirts
you no you you no you
till the sun goes nova
and all life as we know it is gone
Mac
Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Nov. 16 2006,12:39)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 16 2006,14:12)]Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Nov. 16 2006,11:41)]Expanding the phone/image/cw segments and the shrinking of the traditional CW segments seems like a logical first step. Although, since the kept the extra 25kc at the bottom 80, 40, 20, & 15 for Extra, it seems like they may do away with the code requirement for General, but not Extra.
Anyone else see this as a prelude to the end of code testing, at least for General?
73
Joe
N3PAQ
With the expansion of the Advanced and Extra segments out of proportion to General, it seems like they expect a migration from General to Extra. I believe keeping the code test for Extra would cause such a migration.
I guess I'm not following, but why would people upgrade to extra because of the code test?
What happens when you live in a nice neighborhood and low-lifes start moving in around you? LOL!!
ki4pg
11-16-2006, 07:46 PM
Opinion 1) Eventually enough pressure will be brought on the FCC to open up part of the HF phone bands for persons not willing to learn the code. Hopefully this would not be a wide open door policy.
Opinion 2) I agree that in order to advance to the extra class, the code should be kept as part of the exam(s).
Jim / KI4PGO
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 16 2006,14:46)]Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Nov. 16 2006,12:39)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 16 2006,14:12)]Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Nov. 16 2006,11:41)]Expanding the phone/image/cw segments and the shrinking of the traditional CW segments seems like a logical first step. Although, since the kept the extra 25kc at the bottom 80, 40, 20, & 15 for Extra, it seems like they may do away with the code requirement for General, but not Extra.
Anyone else see this as a prelude to the end of code testing, at least for General?
73
Joe
N3PAQ
With the expansion of the Advanced and Extra segments out of proportion to General, it seems like they expect a migration from General to Extra. I believe keeping the code test for Extra would cause such a migration.
I guess I'm not following, but why would people upgrade to extra because of the code test?
What happens when you live in a nice neighborhood and low-lifes start moving in around you? LOL!!
Oh, yup, I agree, LOL.
wa9cwx
11-16-2006, 08:54 PM
AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH
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I also support code for extras -- one thing that should be added to the code is not to make fun of anyone who has not passed the extra test. Coaching is a lot more effective way to get folks to advance than finger pointing. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
kd4mxe
11-16-2006, 09:28 PM
Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Nov. 16 2006,12:39)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 16 2006,14:12)]Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Nov. 16 2006,11:41)]Expanding the phone/image/cw segments and the shrinking of the traditional CW segments seems like a logical first step. #Although, since the kept the extra 25kc at the bottom 80, 40, 20, & 15 for Extra, it seems like they may do away with the code requirement for General, but not Extra.
Anyone else see this as a prelude to the end of code testing, at least for General?
73
Joe
N3PAQ
With the expansion of the Advanced and Extra segments out of proportion to General, it seems like they expect a migration from General to Extra. #I believe keeping the code test for Extra would cause such a migration.
ab2mh-I guess I'm not following, but why would people upgrade to extra because of the code test?-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-well I would like to ask this ,if they drop it For the general and keep it for xtra ,they will have the same problum they have now, the one,s that dont like the code will not upgrade from general to xtra , and I think that,s what they want to get away from ,and that,s why I think they will drop it for all classis, 73 Bill kd4mxe
AE6IP
11-17-2006, 03:22 AM
Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Nov. 16 2006,11:06)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Nov. 16 2006,11:59)]Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Nov. 16 2006,14:41)]Anyone else see this as a prelude to the end of code testing, at least for General?
They have already indicated that they plan to do away with code testing "at least for General."
Been away?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I've heard the rumors but they haven't released any rule changes regarding code testing just yet. Now that I've seen the current rule changes, I'm inclined to think that they are more likely to drop the code requirements than I thought before. I'm just curious if anyone else sees it the same way.
Um, they released the rules change NPRM that drops element 1 about a year ago. We're just waiting for them to issue the R&O that implements it.
There should be a physical test if you want to work ssb. Examiner drives a ten penny nail into the examinee's ear with a 5 lb mallet, if he can take the pain he can listen to and talk on ssb./
The sound of ssb still gives me a pain. CW is music to my ears.
Lately in this country the various minority groups, because of political correctness, recieve extra privelages of one kind or another, Why doesn't that hold true in amateur radio as well?? CW operators seem to be considered a minority, compared to fone and digi ops numbers. Therefore we should not be squeezed down into the bottom of the HF bands. We need our space, we have rights too!
K7JEM
11-17-2006, 05:19 AM
Quote[/b] (k8jd @ Nov. 16 2006,21:35)]Lately in this country the various minority groups, because of political correctness, recieve extra privelages of one kind or another, Why doesn't that hold true in amateur radio as well?? CW operators seem to be considered a minority, compared to fone and digi ops numbers. Therefore we should not be squeezed down into the bottom of the HF bands. We need our space, we have rights too!
Just for your info:
CW is legal on all ham frequencies except 60 meters. Maybe it's the phone ops who have been squeezed for years?
Affirmative action already exists for code ops, since they are a minority, but are allowed on virtually every frequency available. Special treatment for the minority, but they will whine and whimper if CW is ever made illegal on any band segment.
Joe
kf6rdn
11-17-2006, 05:43 AM
Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Nov. 16 2006,11:40)]we are right
you are wrong
we are right
you are wrong
we know better than you do
no you do not
oh yes we do
oh no you don't
you are not a real ham
yes we are
you are old farts that are holding back ham radio
no we are saving ham radio from the unwashed masses
you don't know what you are talkin about
yes we do and you are living in the past
you young dip blanks can kiss my blank
no you can kiss my blank
you are smelly old timers
you are wet behind the ears young squirts
you no you you no you
till the sun goes nova
and all life as we know it is gong
Mac
Perfect! No more is needed! This covers the argument perfectly!
Hell this pretty much covers EVERY QRZ argument!
(no it doesnt)
ShuddaP!
CW is my preferred mode below 30mhz. However, this code/no code argument on this and other boards is getting to the point of being ridiculous. No code HF licenses will be a reality, the only question is when.
Those of you who are pro code would better use your time gearing up and getting ready for the real battle which will not take place on an internet message board.
Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Nov. 16 2006,20:22)]Um, they released the rules change NPRM that drops element 1 about a year ago. We're just waiting for them to issue the R&O that implements it.
Yeah -- I know -- NPRM is just a proposal -- when I read about the band changes, my mind put 2 and 2 together and figured the FCC is planning on an R&O for dropping the code requrement.
If the code test is retained for the Extra we will start to hear things like 'I want Extra Class privileges but I can not or will not learn the code' and endless whining about how unfair it is.
73
George
K3UD
Quote[/b] (k6az @ Nov. 16 2006,23:04)]CW is my preferred mode below 30mhz. However, this code/no code argument on this and other boards is getting to the point of being ridiculous. No code HF licenses will be a reality, the only question is when.
Those of you who are pro code would better use your time gearing up and getting ready for the real battle which will not take place on an internet message board.
It is a shame that folks have to turn any discussion into a code/no code debate. Fortunately, there were a few relevant responses. I didn't ask weather anyone thought the FCC should eliminate code testing or not, rather, if anyone thought that the FCC was preparing the bands to accommodate more phone activity because they are planning on releasing an R&O soon that eliminates code testing.
73
Joe
N3PAQ
kd4mxe
11-17-2006, 01:45 PM
Quote[/b] (K3UD @ Nov. 17 2006,06:15)]If the code test is retained for the Extra we will start to hear things like 'I want Extra Class privileges but I can not or will not learn the code' and endless whining about how unfair it is.
73
George
K3UD
yes #they will have to drop it #for xtra to #or they will still Be where they are Right now , they will all go to general and will not go on to xtra if they dont like the code,the code will still Be a Blocker for some,like it is now ,I Believe they will drop it #for all classies ,But we will see #one of these days what they are going to do,73 Bill kd4mxe http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
AE6IP
11-18-2006, 04:02 AM
Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Nov. 17 2006,05:05)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Nov. 16 2006,20:22)]Um, they released the rules change NPRM that drops element 1 about a year ago. We're just waiting for them to issue the R&O that implements it.
Yeah -- I know -- NPRM is just a proposal -- when I read about the band changes, my mind put 2 and 2 together and figured the FCC is planning on an R&O for dropping the code requrement.
Well, an NPRM is more than "just" a proposal. It's a proposal in response to petitions and the comments on those petitions. It's rare for the FCC to issue an NPRM and not eventually issue an R&O, and it's very unlikely in this case.
It's even unlikely that the R&O will be much different than the NPRM, because although there were a lot of responses to the NPRM, there were no new arguments made.
ai4ep
11-18-2006, 04:18 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif ....and the dumbing down of the USA continues.... !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
ka0gkt
11-19-2006, 07:43 AM
One thing to remember is, while historically, many NPRMs have resulted in R&Os, not all have. I don't have the data regarding the percentage of NPRMs which have resulted in R&Os, however I can remember several, down through the years which have never been enacted by the commission. The latest R&O regarding the refarming of the Novice subbands (which, I believe was the total of the change, with the exception of the 80-meter band) can be looked upon either as an R&O based upon an NPRM issued after the No Code NPRM or as one resurrected from the time when the commission stopped issuing new Novice licenses. the circumstances would indicate that the proposal to drop the code is either a long way from an R&O or dead.
Personally, I enjoy a CW contact. I find Morse Code relaxing and an enjoyable way to spend some time. I would like to see more people take advantage of the mode; however, I also realize that many people find the code cumbersome and tiresome, a real stumbling block to gaining their Amateur license; furthermore, Commercial CW has been replaced by satellite and various forms of teleprinter codes for maritime and military RF communictions. The knowlege of Morse Code is no longer a high priority for our government, nor for the other governments which are members of the ITU.
If we Amateurs were to spend as much time recruiting new hams as we spend arguing over code/no code, we wouldn't need to worry about the future of our hobby.
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve