Just because the president is a boob...

[KG6JTB]

Many are falling for a fallacy to simply have a referendum on President Bush over Iraq and vote for a Democrat for senate, the house, or governor.

Lest we wallow in the inanity of the aforementioned topic, I'd rather hope that my amateur colleagues vote for the issues that are most important to them, and not be blinded by Iraq.

I'm going to vote for the candidates for office that support:

#1. Stem cells and drive other cutting edge medical research. The US is the leader in research and development, and stem cells is the mother lode.

#2. Alternative Fuel Programs to rid ourselves of the OPEC cartel. Same rationale as above.

#3. That has a good economic plan to keep the current economy humming along and unemployment down. Don’t mess things up with higher taxes!

#4. That have a good vision of where we need to be in the future. Kennedy and Reagan come to mind as they were enlightened to some extent.

#6. Are fiscally responsible with taxpayer's money.

#7. Have a better understanding of what security means without compromising our inalienable rights as outlined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

#8. That is pro military and respects the limitations of the common soldier (and the soldier's family).

#9. That understands global threats and can prioritize accordingly. Korea and Iran need to be dealt with. Iraq was a misadventure.

#10. A candidate that understands that American kids are getting fat and lazy, and less competitive in the global marketplace for the jobs of the future.

#11. A candidate that will cut though the BS about racism, and protect our national sovereignty from foreign nationalism and infiltration of our territory by unauthorized entrants.

The list goes on, but you can see that neither Republican nor Democrat can really embrace these issues completely.

So I vote either party, and don't let the current boob in Washington sway my vote.

Dave
KG6JTB

[K8MHZ]

Pity you won't be voting for anyone running for office then.....

A write in maybe??

I would like to comment on being 'blinded by Iraq'. How about being blinded by the 70 thousand dollar and growing tab the war is costing each and every American? Or the fact that the world hates us even more due to the war?

Like it or not the war will be #1 on the voters minds.

[KD6NIG]

JTB:

Thanks for at least voting for who YOU think should be in there, not just following the party doctrine.

I'm registered independent, and I can tell you, from local offices to national, I didn't vote for too many incumbants this year. I'm not happy with the job being done, and putting the same people back in there isn't going to improve things, and I made my choices based on a lot of that this year.

I ignored the party lines definetely.

There are some local city council people who will probably be out this year too. They think they can do things like they do, cut funding to police and fire departments, and nobody will notice. There are 2 seats that will definetely change hands this year, and possibly a third because the locals are finally realising whats going on.

Never had any of them come around asking for votes for years. They are canvassing suddenly now trying to get support, but I think they are out now.

[K9QJ]

Iraq a misadventure? Sounds like Bush referring to al-queda as "folks" after 9-11.

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] ]Topic: Just because the president is a boob..., doesn't mean roll over & vote Democrat!

True become a bra and support boobs rather than vote Democratic.

[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Nov. 01 2006,08:42)]Quote[/b] ]Topic: Just because the president is a boob..., doesn't mean roll over & vote Democrat!

True become a bra and support boobs rather than vote Democratic.
Lift and separate... and thats as far as i will take this.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[k0ews]

This election won't matter, no matter the outcome. Congress will still be split and inept. The President will do whatever the President decides to do, and not listen to anyone but his inside people. Sure, they may let the tax cuts expire, but I'm sure that the Congress and President will find ways to spend that extra tax revenue. Honestly, I think the future sucks and I don't believe anyone in Washington is capbable of fixing it, and what's even worse, I think the bunch running for the job are just as inept. I really feel like it's come down to who doesn't suck more. They're pretty much equally worthless in my book; at least in the Federal elections. I'm much more interested in my State elections here. I've always been a bit of a Democrat at the State level, and this year will be no different.

[K2WH]

Quote[/b] (k0ews @ Nov. 01 2006,05:46)]This election won't matter, no matter the outcome. #Congress will still be split and inept. #The President will do whatever the President decides to do, and not listen to anyone but his inside people. #Sure, they may let the tax cuts expire, but I'm sure that the Congress and President will find ways to spend that extra tax revenue. #Honestly, I think the future sucks and I don't believe anyone in Washington is capbable of fixing it, and what's even worse, I think the bunch running for the job are just as inept. #I really feel like it's come down to who doesn't suck more. #They're pretty much equally worthless in my book; at least in the Federal elections. #I'm much more interested in my State elections here. #I've always been a bit of a Democrat at the State level, and this year will be no different.
I kinda agree with this assessment. #I'm just tired of seeing all the fighting between parties. #Many on this site specifically state "We are going to Win". #Other say "Your side is going to lose". #This seperation is really hurting the country and I do not see a solution but I do see the future. #The future plays out the USA is an inept country in all world situations simply because we, us, the people cannot agree to anything anymore. I do blame all this on the liberals and democrats as whining, weak kneed, hand wringing, sniveling a_holes over the past 40 years. #Sorry about that rant, just couldn't help it, but if you trace this stuff back you just wind up with the obvious conclusion, we are where we are because of the libs.

So, thats why I kinda agree with the statement.

Sad for the USA

[KA8DKT]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Nov. 01 2006,14:13)]Quote[/b] (k0ews @ Nov. 01 2006,05:46)]This election won't matter, no matter the outcome. #Congress will still be split and inept. #The President will do whatever the President decides to do, and not listen to anyone but his inside people. #Sure, they may let the tax cuts expire, but I'm sure that the Congress and President will find ways to spend that extra tax revenue. #Honestly, I think the future sucks and I don't believe anyone in Washington is capbable of fixing it, and what's even worse, I think the bunch running for the job are just as inept. #I really feel like it's come down to who doesn't suck more. #They're pretty much equally worthless in my book; at least in the Federal elections. #I'm much more interested in my State elections here. #I've always been a bit of a Democrat at the State level, and this year will be no different.
I kinda agree with this assessment. #I'm just tired of seeing all the fighting between parties. #Many on this site specifically state "We are going to Win". #Other say "Your side is going to lose". #This seperation is really hurting the country and I do not see a solution but I do see the future. #The future plays out the USA is an inept country in all world situations simply because we, us, the people cannot agree to anything anymore. I do blame all this on the liberals and democrats as whining, weak kneed, hand wringing, sniveling a_holes over the past 40 years. #Sorry about that rant, just couldn't help it, but if you trace this stuff back you just wind up with the obvious conclusion, we are where we are because of the libs.

So, thats why I kinda agree with the statement.

Sad for the USA
Your post is sad, but true. #

It is unfortunate that part of the current administration's game plan is one of enforcing a policy of dividing the country into two distinct camps. #

Just because a person is a Republican or a Democrat does not mean that he does not have something of value to add to the discussion, the same for a Libertarian, or an Independent. #Unfortunately, with the two distinct groups, us and them, there is no longer any discussion. #Its more of, "You can't possibly have anything of value to offer because you are a [insert party or ideology here]."

This division is an intentional one, designed specifically to eliminate discussion and compromise. #Without discussion and compromise the original plan can go forward without any pesky changes or diversions by those who might see something wrong with the "plan" or those who might change course to avoid an iceberg.

I strongly recommend everyone who has a serious interest in the future of our country to read this paper:

Link 1 (http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf)

The backbone of this plan is to keep American politics so divided that no compormises or dissention will get in the way of the plan.

An article that offers one explaination of the position paper is located here: #

Link 2 (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm)

We have all become at the same time victims of and parties to this devisiveness. #We can see it right here on this board; right and wrong are defined more by party affiliation or "lib" or "con" ideology than by discussion, exchange, and refinement of ideas and viewpoints, and thus there is no acceptance of possibly workable ideas offered by others.

-gary

[KA9VQF]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Nov. 01 2006,11:13)]Quote[/b] (k0ews @ Nov. 01 2006,05:46)]This election won't matter, no matter the outcome. #Congress will still be split and inept. #The President will do whatever the President decides to do, and not listen to anyone but his inside people. #Sure, they may let the tax cuts expire, but I'm sure that the Congress and President will find ways to spend that extra tax revenue. #Honestly, I think the future sucks and I don't believe anyone in Washington is capbable of fixing it, and what's even worse, I think the bunch running for the job are just as inept. #I really feel like it's come down to who doesn't suck more. #They're pretty much equally worthless in my book; at least in the Federal elections. #I'm much more interested in my State elections here. #I've always been a bit of a Democrat at the State level, and this year will be no different.
I kinda agree with this assessment. #I'm just tired of seeing all the fighting between parties. #Many on this site specifically state "We are going to Win". #Other say "Your side is going to lose". #This seperation is really hurting the country and I do not see a solution but I do see the future. #The future plays out the USA is an inept country in all world situations simply because we, us, the people cannot agree to anything anymore. I do blame all this on the liberals and democrats as whining, weak kneed, hand wringing, sniveling a_holes over the past 40 years. #Sorry about that rant, just couldn't help it, but if you trace this stuff back you just wind up with the obvious conclusion, we are where we are because of the libs.

So, thats why I kinda agree with the statement.

Sad for the USA
Yep that cursed lib George W. Bush president of the newnited states is sure enough to blame for where we are today.

Wazat? W is a republican??,… no way man, he’s gotta be a lib or how can we blame this on the libs???


Oh you mean all them there libs that was elected afore W well ok then spin on master.

Am I the only one in the world who looked up PNAC before the election in 2000 and read the paper that still bothers the smeg out of me.

check out their web site please then tell me it don't bother you. (http://www.newamericancentury.org/)

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (k8mhz @ Nov. 01 2006,07:06)]How about being blinded by the 70 thousand dollar and growing tab the war is costing each and every American?
Where did you get that number? It's W-A-A-A-Y off. More like $1,000. The entire national debt is still under $30,000 per person. Yeah, that's huge, but not $70K.

73, Rob

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Nov. 01 2006,11:13)]I'm just tired of seeing all the fighting between parties....

...I do blame all this on the liberals and democrats as whining, weak kneed, hand wringing, sniveling a_holes over the past 40 years.
Gotta love it! "I hate all this in-fighting, but here's my donation of another quart of gasoline for the fire."

<LMAO!!>

Here's yer sign...

73, Rob

[K0RGR]

As a whining, weak kneed, hand wringing, sniveling a_hole, I take exception to the idea that I am responsible for where this country is today. We sniveling a-holes have not been in power for a very , very long time. Indeed, the Grand Old Petroleum Party has totally dominated Congress, the White House, and the Extreme Court for nearly 6 years, yet they have done nothing at all to make any progress on the things they promised to fix 12 years ago when they took over Congress.

There is substantial evidence that the only time Congress accomplishes anything worthwhile is when there is 'gridlock' due to a difference in parties either between the houses of Congress or between Congress and the President. I think this is because if you have opposite parties in the Congress, the opposition party keeps the one in power honest - exactly the opposite of what we have today.

If we sniveling a_holes are fortunate enough to take over control of some part of the government after this election, I expect to see some actual work done in Congress. We may have to wait until the a_hole in the White House leaves in two years, however. The work will be slowed, however, by all the investigations into what the GOP has done with all that money these last few years.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Nov. 01 2006,15:41)]Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Nov. 01 2006,11:13)]I'm just tired of seeing all the fighting between parties....

...I do blame all this on the liberals and democrats as whining, weak kneed, hand wringing, sniveling a_holes over the past 40 years.
Gotta love it! #"I hate all this in-fighting, but here's my donation of another quart of gasoline for the fire."

<LMAO!!>

Here's yer sign...

73, Rob
I think it was Jefferson who wryly commented that "each argued so long and so well that each convinced the other!"

I hate it, too!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KA8DKT]

VQF-

Take note of the "Link 1" in my post above. I think this is part of what you are talking about.

I think it is frightening and dangerous!

-gary

[K0HWY]

JTB,

Your point is well taken. However, as I've said before, some people who in other situations can make intellectual decisions seem to lose that ability when confronted with a political decision. One party is good, the other is bad and come hell or high water they are going to vote along party lines, just to claim a broad victory for their associated party. This isn't exactly a new concept and I doubt it'll go away anytime soon.

[W2ILP]

Just be sure to not vote for anyone who backed up the boob president...be she or he Republican or Democrat. This includes most incumbents. Let us get some new people into Congress because in my opinion anyone new is potentially likely to be an improvement.

w2ilp (Improve Lousey Politics)

[n2nh]

Yep, real logic. Vote a whole bunch of other boobs in so the head boob doesn't get lonely. So what will we end up with? A Booby hatch. Cross my heart, you'll see.

This is about Bush isn't it? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W4CBJ]

Listen, don't be so mean ..Let the Democrats win and they will institute "NO HAM LEFT BEHIND". No more code tests, no more written tests...to use the words: "Amateur Radio" instead of Citizen's Band (CB) will become a HATE CRIME.. Everbody will become equal..
No more class distinction...All Morse code operators will be sent to "re-education camps" to be trained on how to speak......Just wait and see..!. 73 # Joe #W4CBJ

[K1OU]

Quote[/b] (w4cbj @ Nov. 01 2006,16:26)]Listen, don't be so mean ..Let the Democrats win and they will institute "NO HAM LEFT BEHIND". No more code tests, no more written tests...to use the words: "Amateur Radio" instead of Citizen's Band (CB) will become a HATE CRIME.. Everbody will become equal..
No more class distinction...All Morse code operators will be sent to "re-education camps" to be trained on how to speak......Just wait and see..!. 73 # Joe #W4CBJ
Uh,

It's during a Republican administration with Bush appointees at the FCC. You know, the FCC that is "dumbing down" your hobby?

I'm just sitting here scratching my head.

[KG6JTB]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Oct. 31 2006,15:47)]Just be sure to not vote for anyone who backed up the boob president...be she or he Republican or Democrat. #This includes most incumbents. #Let us get some new people into Congress because in my opinion anyone new is potentially likely to be an improvement.

w2ilp (Improve Lousey Politics)
Don't forget that in the light of 9/11, a compelling speech by Mr. Powell to the UN with what was believed to be solid evidence of WMD, many felt that the invasion of Iraq was justified.

And while many here who loath the president, even when it was war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, or Bush Sr.'s war to liberate Kuwait in 1991, the liberals have no higher moral ground than before.

Being correct now doesn't mean correct then. I applauded your intuition about Bush. I thought his folksy charm and simpleton ways was just his shtick. I was wrong, he really is a dumb*ss.

Dave
KG6JTB

[n0jaa]

I vote neither Republican nor Democrat if I have a third choice. I have a personal rule that says I don't vote for anyone who runs ads for the sole purpose of attacking another candidate. It is a truism that most "facts" candidates uncover are taken way out of context or have absolutely no bearing on the political race.

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[K0RGR]

Quote[/b] (KG6JTB @ Nov. 01 2006,23:47)]Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Oct. 31 2006,15:47)]Just be sure to not vote for anyone who backed up the boob president...be she or he Republican or Democrat. This includes most incumbents. Let us get some new people into Congress because in my opinion anyone new is potentially likely to be an improvement.

w2ilp (Improve Lousey Politics)
Don't forget that in the light of 9/11, a compelling speech by Mr. Powell to the UN with what was believed to be solid evidence of WMD, many felt that the invasion of Iraq was justified.

And while many here who loath the president, even when it was war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, or Bush Sr.'s war to liberate Kuwait in 1991, the liberals have no higher moral ground than before.

Being correct now doesn't mean correct then. I applauded your intuition about Bush. I thought his folksy charm and simpleton ways was just his shtick. I was wrong, he really is a dumb*ss.

Dave
KG6JTB
And Mr. Powell has repeatedly apologized to the American people and the U.N. for that speech, claiming that he, too, was misled. After what his son did at the FCC, I doubt I could ever vote for him, but who knows?

When I heard Powell's speech, and I watched it pretty closely, I too was convinced. There's fairly credible evidence that we were 'had'. Too many insiders have come forth with claims that the Iraq invasion was planned long before any of this absurd theater about WMD. Where there's smoke, there's fire. In this case, there's smoke, flames, and the smell of brimstone. Too bad only about half of the people can see or smell it.

The key for the election is to do whatever it takes to end the one-party rule in Washington. The checks and balances have been destroyed. We need to restore some balance.

[KA8DKT]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Nov. 02 2006,17:24)]The key for the election is to do whatever it takes to end the one-party rule in Washington. The checks and balances have been destroyed. We need to restore some balance.
Indeed they have. #If I may be lazy and just copy my post from another thread:

"The real question is: #How did we let it get this way? #One thing was when the so-called Fairness Doctrine was ended by the FCC. #This happened during the Reagan administration almost immediately after ultra conservative Mark Fowler was appointed to the Chairmanship of the FCC. #Later the ban on foreign ownership of broadcast media was dropped during the G.H.W. Bush admistration. #The latter was done to allow Rupert Murdoch to own broadcast media and networks in the US. #The former was done to allow the likes of Rush Limbaugh free reign with his stories, lies, and distortions, unfettered with any "equal time" requirements for those he attacked. #This, plus a heavily consolidated media signaled the end of a true free press. #A free press is a mandatory element of a Democracy as it is the last check and balance on politicians.

...

"How fragile is our Democracy? #Well, when you basically own the voting machines, and the people in charge of registering voters and of counting the votes are also senior campaign officials for one party, our Democracy becomes very fragile indeed.

bush pays a lot of lip service to how Iraq and the world needs Democracy, yet he openly subverts it here at home. #Not only are he and his cronies liars, but they are hypocrites as well."

-gary

Sulfurous smell indeed!

[ka5piu]

Hello.

Last time I checked you could select the individual.
This means you COULD sit down and read what each person running for office has to say.
Now, this could mean that your vote can cross party lines, what then?
Are you a Demopubilcan or a Repulicat?
What about independents?
Now we are going into uncharted waters.
My god! we might end up with congress that is run by no party! what then!?
Help us! we might end up with politics for the people!.
We can not have thinking voters, that is, well, UNAmerican.