Repubs cut taxes and spend

[wa8rti]

From the New York Times 10/31/06 "This latest revelation proves that the Bush administration is incapable of preventing big oil companies from cheating taxpayers,” said Representative Edward J. Markey of Massachusetts, a senior Democrat on the House Committee on Resources. “The public has been systematically fleeced out of royalties that these companies owe for the privilege of drilling for oil and gas on lands belonging to all of us.”

The revelation is that the administration is dropping efforts to collect the royalities owed by big oil for offshore gas drilling. Audits had shown that they had vastly underpaid what was owed to the Treasury. That is what you get when you put former oilmen is high places. #Not only have the oil companies been given record tax breaks is spite of record profits, now they will avoid paying the real amounts owed for drilling on public (our) lands.

[K8MHZ]

I disagree. The Bush admin is indeed capable of preventing big oil from cheating taxpayers. The Bushies have NO DESIRE to keep big oil (Remember Bush Oil?) from raping Americans. So long as W is in office big oil will make millions of dollars per hour. Period.

This is a no brainer.

[N9XR]

Now there are many fewer IRS auditors, so those who do not cheat on taxes are required to make up the difference for those who do.

Sounds fair to a right wing bureaucrat.

[w8cbc]

So - where are the screams of "TREASON!!!" from the Times-haters?

Still trying to figure out how to spin this one?

[KA9VQF]

They have already established, to the point that they are satisfied, that he Times is nothing but a liberal
Commipinkofag run rag.

Why should they waste the energy to type it in again?

Give ’em a break. Lord knows they need one after all the crap that has come out lately.

Kerry did his best as far as they are concerned but every little bit helps right?

[KA8DKT]

So, here is the Plan. #Spend like the proverbial drunken sailor on a war that apparently only helps a few big businesses, reduce their taxes as a reward for taking in all that extra profit, and run up the national debt to record highs.

When the other party eventually comes into power, there is no other way to pay off this staggering debt but to raise taxes. #How else will it get paid? #Where else will the money come from?

Now you can blame the other party for, yet again, raising taxes.

It's a fixed game.

-gary

[n4sva]

Quote[/b] (wa8rti @ Nov. 01 2006,05:45)]From the New York Times 10/31/06 "This latest revelation proves that the Bush administration is incapable of preventing big oil companies from cheating taxpayers,” said Representative Edward J. Markey of Massachusetts, a senior Democrat on the House Committee on Resources. “The public has been systematically fleeced out of royalties that these companies owe for the privilege of drilling for oil and gas on lands belonging to all of us.”

The revelation is that the administration is dropping efforts to collect the royalities owed by big oil for offshore gas drilling. Audits had shown that they had vastly underpaid what was owed to the Treasury. That is what you get when you put former oilmen is high places. #Not only have the oil companies been given record tax breaks is spite of record profits, now they will avoid paying the real amounts owed for drilling on public (our) lands.
Yes, we all know that the NY Times have no agenda. <sarcasm off>

[W1GUH]

Quote[/b] ]liberal
Commipinkofag run rag.


Are all gay people commies and liberals?

Quote[/b] ]When the other party eventually comes into power, there is no other way to pay off this staggering debt but to raise taxes. #How else will it get paid? #Where else will the money come from?


Especially if China calls it in early.

[K0RGR]

Hey, what's a $trillion between friends?

Missing $Trillion (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL)

Of course, that story is from another pinko, leftist, gay newspaper. And a pretty good one, I'll add.

I didn't copy the link, but I found another story claiming the number is actually $2.3 Trillion - $8,000 for every man , woman, and child in America. And this is just the money they've LOST!!!

[KA8DKT]

Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Nov. 02 2006,15:34)]Quote[/b] (wa8rti @ Nov. 01 2006,05:45)]From the New York Times 10/31/06 "This latest revelation proves that the Bush administration is incapable of preventing big oil companies from cheating taxpayers,” said Representative Edward J. Markey of Massachusetts, a senior Democrat on the House Committee on Resources. “The public has been systematically fleeced out of royalties that these companies owe for the privilege of drilling for oil and gas on lands belonging to all of us.”

The revelation is that the administration is dropping efforts to collect the royalities owed by big oil for offshore gas drilling. Audits had shown that they had vastly underpaid what was owed to the Treasury. That is what you get when you put former oilmen is high places. #Not only have the oil companies been given record tax breaks is spite of record profits, now they will avoid paying the real amounts owed for drilling on public (our) lands.
Yes, we all know that the NY Times have no agenda. <sarcasm off>
So, by bringing this out into the open they have an agenda?

Perhaps their agenda is to let the citizenry know of yet another example of the kind big money cronyism that bush and his cohorts are involved in.

A news outlet does not need an agenda to report this. #They would need an agenda to not report it! #I wonder if the Murdoch papers will carry the story?

Just because it is the NY Times that reports it does not change the facts of the matter. #Just because it is bush's gang that is doing it does not change the facts. #If it were, say, President Gore who was doing the same thing, I would still want to know about it, and I would expect my Congress to put a stop to it.

And I would expect the back royalties to be paid!

-gary

[w8cbc]

'RGR - $8000 per? I've blown about twice that much on automobile insurance over the last 22 years. I consider that "lost". http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Mind you, it IS accounted for.

$1E12 (or $2.3E12) going "missing" is just obscene. I've no doubt that if we find out where it went, it'll become even more obscene.

---edit to complete the thought---

[KA9VQF]

Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ Nov. 02 2006,12:35)]{edited quote}

Quote[/b] ]liberal
Commipinkofag run rag.


Are all gay people commies and liberals?
You didn’t live through the McCarthy era, did you.

[W1GUH]

Yea, but I was too young to understand those big words.

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (wa8rti @ Nov. 01 2006,05:45)]From the New York Times 10/31/06 "This latest revelation proves that the Bush administration is incapable of preventing big oil companies from cheating taxpayers,” said Representative Edward J. Markey of Massachusetts, a senior Democrat on the House Committee on Resources.
Rep. Markey is probably correct about the Bush administration, but sympathetic as I might be with him on that, I find it difficult to maintain an objective attitude about that @$$hole regardless of the issue is involved.

He was part of the driving force to extended Daylight Shifting Time three weeks earlier in the spring and one week later in the fall. This wasn't the first time he has pulled that s#¡t; he was the one who introduced legislation in 1980 that originally moved it from the 3rd week in April up to the first week, where it has been up till now.

DST does not save a nanosecond of daylight; it just rearranges our schedule as we set the clocks ahead and pretend it is an hour later than it really is. Let the early birds who like to rise before the break of dawn reset their own alarm clocks and leave the rest of us alone. This change was attached to last years's energy bill with the claim that it would save energy, estimated to be a whopping .05%!!!

I could probably pull enough SUV's off the road and find room to park them all on my rural plot of land, to save an equal amount of energy.

Tinkering with the clock doesn't alter the bottom line: we will all be forced to get up an hour earlier every day.

[w8cbc]

What 'kyv said. ^^^^

I've always considered Dumb Stupid Time a useless annoyance to begin with. Having it continually encroach upon the rest of the year is too much.

I have to wonder though - was it supported by this administration for its own sake (authoritarian types do like to push people into waking up early), or for the sake of having another bill in which to hide energy-co subsidies?

[K3XR]

Where were all the DEM sentors like Chuckie Cheese Schumer demanding hearings when the price of gas dropped recently??

Who declared Markey an expert on oil? #The only fact you likely to find in the New York Slimes is when they are disclosing the nations secrets.

The President has nothing to do with setting world oil prices. He has much to do with a booming economy, thanks to tax cuts, that work every time they are tried. #Just released was one of the lowest unemployment figures in our history.

Of course John "D student" Kerry and the DEMS call it the worst economy since the Great Depression. Right...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5365439

http://article.nationalreview.com/print....TY1OWI= (http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NTkyZGIwZjYyYjNiOTc4YTgzMWFkZWJmNzczYTY1OWI=)

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Nov. 04 2006,09:01)]Where were all the DEM sentors like Chuckie Cheese Schumer demanding hearings when the price of gas dropped recently??

Who declared Markey an expert on oil? #The only fact you likely to find in the New York Slimes is when they are disclosing the nations secrets.

The President has nothing to do with setting world oil prices. He has much to do with a booming economy, thanks to tax cuts, that work every time they are tried. #Just released was one of the lowest unemployment figures in our history.

Of course John "D student" Kerry and the DEMS call it the worst economy since the Great Depression. Right...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5365439

http://article.nationalreview.com/print....TY1OWI= (http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NTkyZGIwZjYyYjNiOTc4YTgzMWFkZWJmNzczYTY1OWI=)
"Repubs cut taxes and spend"

Title of the thread 'XR. #Nothing about gas prices here OM. #Correctly you state that the administration has no control over gas prices though.

So why try to credit the current administration (however vaguely) for falling gas prices?

For a robot, you really do think in a haphazard manner!
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[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Nov. 04 2006,06:01)]He has much to do with a booming economy, thanks to tax cuts, that work every time they are tried.
I'm starting to get on board with the tax cuts.

Why don't we take this to it's logical conclusion and eliminate taxes completely? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

73, Rob

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Nov. 04 2006,09:25)]Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Nov. 04 2006,06:01)]He has much to do with a booming economy, thanks to tax cuts, that work every time they are tried.
I'm starting to get on board with the tax cuts.

Why don't we take this to it's logical conclusion and eliminate taxes completely? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

73, Rob
The tax cuts have been effective. While we couldn't get rid of all taxes, even if we could shoot about 530 of the worst spenders in the 535, we could have a flat-tax with no deductions. Everybody pays a percentage of income -- same percentage if you are a Gates or Soros or an hourly-rate laborer. The gummint would probably end up with more actual revenues, but the overall fairness of such a code would greatly reduce campaign contributions and junket opportunities which is why it will never happen.


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[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Nov. 04 2006,06:48)]The tax cuts have been effective.
Ah, but effective at what? My neighbor did a cash-out refinance of his mortgage to buy a big-screen TV. That was effective too, and in the very same way. For some, the tax cuts have apparently bought votes.

I agree with your spending comments. Let's not forget about the pork, though.

What a sad, sad state of affairs.

73, Rob

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Nov. 04 2006,11:11)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Nov. 04 2006,06:48)]The tax cuts have been effective.
Ah, but effective at what? #My neighbor did a cash-out refinance of his mortgage to buy a big-screen TV. #That was effective too, and in the very same way. #For some, the tax cuts have apparently bought votes.

I agree with your spending comments. #Let's not forget about the pork, though.

What a sad, sad state of affairs.

73, Rob
Sad state is a good description, Rob. But it would be quite wrong to think it is new or different.

The tax cuts have brought in revenue that the Congress is very willing to spend on pork; alas, Bush has proven himself only too ready to acquiesce and stay his veto that should be applied as liberally to the profligacy of the Congress as it has been withheld.

But Congress has been spending on pork since its very earliest times, and it is hard to curb habit -- not least when the habit is a fine source of re-election funding.

You neighbor may not be very smart, but he surely is not alone. Personal debt of all types may never have been higher than at present, but (much as many would like to) we cannot blame Bush for that.

Even were we to suffer a serious economic crash and a depression (which is unlikely, though a recession probably is in our future), it is not likely to curb the spending habits of the Congress: it is not their money they are squandering.

Merely changing parties will make no difference.

[w8cbc]

Whether it makes a difference or not, why stay with those who are currently bankrupting the country? You have to admit, in terms of waste and irresponsibility, this crowd have gone above and beyond anything that's been done before. Should we reward them for it?

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (w8cbc @ Nov. 04 2006,13:48)]Whether it makes a difference or not, why stay with those who are currently bankrupting the country? #You have to admit, in terms of waste and irresponsibility, this crowd have gone above and beyond anything that's been done before. #Should we reward them for it?
You don't seem to get it: They are ALL bankrupting the country. Bush can't spend a dime the Congress doesn't give him to spend, and both parties are spending us all into the poorhouse.

The only answer to the problem is to vote them ALL out of office, were there only a viable way to do so.

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[w8cbc]

The current Congress is all too willing to give him those dimes!

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Nov. 02 2006,14:43)]Hey, what's a $trillion between friends?

Missing $Trillion (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL)

Of course, that story is from another pinko, leftist, gay newspaper. And a pretty good one, I'll add.

I didn't copy the link, but I found another story claiming the number is actually $2.3 Trillion - $8,000 for every man , woman, and child in America. And this is just the money they've LOST!!!
So what, at least queers can't get married and poor stem cell babies won't get kilt. Praise the lord and pass the meth.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (w8cbc @ Nov. 04 2006,14:58)]The current Congress is all too willing to give him those dimes!
I agree totally. But changing parties will only change what they spend the bulk of it on, not the pork that is continuing the rape of the treasury. They will still spend us out of house and home.

[w8cbc]

I disagree. Reward those who waste profligately by firing them. After few rounds of that it may begin to sink in.