A real insult to the troops.

[w2amr]

And it ain't from Kerry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh4U-Tbqbx4)

[w3bny]

The other big insult is.... Mission Accomplished. #But hey, were stayin the course...staying the course here.. stayin the course.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1647/stayingthecoursesmall01nd3.jpg

[K8MHZ]

A friend of mine just came back from Iraq.

I had to explain to him that people against the war were not against the soldiers. #Somehow, while he was over there, he got the impression that war haters were military haters.

A good analogy would be a dog fight in an alley where people were abusing their dogs by making them fight. #Would I be against the dogs by wanting the fights to stop?

The comparison to dogs is not meant to be derogatory but more in line with the term 'dogs of war'.

BTW, I like dogs and I like soldiers. #Both have protected me and I feel the need to reciprocate.

[K8MHZ]

Why is it that when the idiot politicians are criticized it becomes an insult to the troops?

LAME LAME LAME

[w3bny]

I am far from hating my bothers and sisters in arms. This little jaunt in Iraq is stupid and they need to come home and now! Yeah I could see if we were after Bin Laden (which..BTW..Where is he...Shubby and Co. sure dont have a clue!)

[G0GQK]

Its more than likely that they know exactly where bin Laden is and its best that he stays there. If he were to be captured, and if he were put on trial, and if he were convicted, the Moslem masses would be making bomb belts like the US made Liberty ships in 1943

Remember the damage that the Japanese kamikazi pilots inflicted on the US Navy,? Well it would be like that all over again, without the ships.

G0GQK

[W5IEI]

Bring on the moslem masses.
What's wrong with you people,we have to face it sooner or later.
Let's get it over with.
I have enough guns,and ammo to hold them off at my house,do you?
Oh,I forgot,you libs don't believe in guns,you want everyone else to fight your battles.

[w8cbc]

IEI - then why are so many combat veterans against the war?

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Nov. 01 2006,15:04)]Bring on the moslem masses.
What's wrong with you people,we have to face it sooner or later.
Let's get it over with.
I have enough guns,and ammo to hold them off at my house,do you?
Oh,I forgot,you libs don't believe in guns,you want everyone else to fight your battles.
Keep believeing that. I know plenty of democrat NRA members.
Every election I crack up when some NRA bozo calls me on the phone wanting to tell me how evil dems are and how I should vote for the lameass repub warmonger candidate.
Time after time they are in shock when I get done with them.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Nov. 01 2006,14:04)]I have enough guns,and ammo to hold them off at my house,do you?
Oh,I forgot,you libs don't believe in guns,you want everyone else to fight your battles.
Alot off, yeah? All of 'em? Prolly not.. At least it would get down to .22s and pellets.
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[wd0ct]

"A friend of mine just came back from Iraq.

I had to explain to him that people against the war were not against the soldiers. Somehow, while he was over there, he got the impression that war haters were military haters."

Is Faux News available in Iraq? Maybe your buddy has been hanging around troops that clap and cheer Rummy and Dubya when they show up in Iraq...

[W2ILP]

We can no longer stay the course...Nope...It is time to turn around and elect different politicians. Let the incumbent candidates stay the couse in their home towns BUT not in Washington, D.C.

I won't vote fopr Hilary...She wants to stay the course and just buy more bulletr proof vests for the troops.

w2ilp (I Like Peace)...Let us face facts...we can not change any religions by force. This can only be done by education...and we must start by educating the religious nuits in the U.S. first.

[W2ILP]

I'm a military hater...,but I don't hate any of our troops. I just hate militarisms in generals.

w2ilp (I Like Privates)...First Class...that is.

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (w2amr @ Nov. 01 2006,02:24)]And it ain't from Kerry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh4U-Tbqbx4)

Bush Jokes About Missing WMD in Iraq (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc40lUpql10&mode=related&search=)

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Nov. 01 2006,15:04)]Bring on the moslem masses.
What's wrong with you people,we have to face it sooner or later.
Let's get it over with.
I have enough guns,and ammo to hold them off at my house,do you?
Oh,I forgot,you libs don't believe in guns,you want everyone else to fight your battles.

Hey, I think the plastic wrap is falling down around one of your windows.

You're sad. Really.

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ Nov. 01 2006,15:37)]Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Nov. 01 2006,15:04)]Bring on the moslem masses.
What's wrong with you people,we have to face it sooner or later.
Let's get it over with.
I have enough guns,and ammo to hold them off at my house,do you?
Oh,I forgot,you libs don't believe in guns,you want everyone else to fight your battles.

Hey, I think the plastic wrap is falling down around one of your windows.

You're sad. #Really.
I think he is very funny. VERY funny.

[WF7A]

Like driving down the wrong road it's never too late to "change course" and find the right one...unless the N. Koreans have nuked the roads around you, then you're hosed.

[w4rlr]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Nov. 01 2006,17:24)]We can no longer stay the course...Nope...It is time to turn around and elect different politicians. #Let the incumbent candidates stay the couse in their home towns BUT not in Washington, D.C.

I won't vote fopr Hilary...She wants to stay the course and just buy more bulletr proof vests for the troops.

w2ilp (I Like Peace)...Let us face facts...we can not change any religions by force. #This can only be done by education...and we must start by educating the religious nuits in the U.S. first.
Too bad the other guys don't share your "enlightened" attitude. With the fundamentalist Islamist, you have two choices.

1. Convert to Islam
2. Be put to death

Some choice, huh? Of course having only two choices makes the education very simple.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Nov. 02 2006,19:28)]Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Nov. 01 2006,17:24)]We can no longer stay the course...Nope...It is time to turn around and elect different politicians. Let the incumbent candidates stay the couse in their home towns BUT not in Washington, D.C.

I won't vote fopr Hilary...She wants to stay the course and just buy more bulletr proof vests for the troops.

w2ilp (I Like Peace)...Let us face facts...we can not change any religions by force. This can only be done by education...and we must start by educating the religious nuits in the U.S. first.
Too bad the other guys don't share your "enlightened" attitude. With the fundamentalist Islamist, you have two choices.

1. Convert to Islam
2. Be put to death

Some choice, huh? Of course having only two choices makes the education very simple.

Yeah ,like they have nothing better to do than travel around the world killing and converting everyone they find. Please, lets stop falling for the nonsense coming from the dems and repubs. Lets just tell them we all converted to Islam and they now have nothing to worry about. Then kick them out the door and back home to wherever they belong.

[W8CEI]

Belive in the war or not. But at least belive in our troops, they are only doing what they are trained to do. Saveing our butts!!.

[W2ILP]

I dont think that most of the troops in Iraq are as easily insulted as most people fear. The smartest guys take the so called insults as jokes, because they have a sense of humor and they understand that the jokes are not insults to the troops themselves, but to the government that sent them to Iraq. Now there are always going to be some dumb guys who don't get the jokes and think that they should feel insulted. Those are the ones who Kerry meant when he insulted them!

w2ilp (Insults Lose Power)...when they aren't meant to be anything but funny.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Nov. 01 2006,15:04)]Bring on the moslem masses.
What's wrong with you people,we have to face it sooner or later.
Let's get it over with.
I have enough guns,and ammo to hold them off at my house,do you?
Oh,I forgot,you libs don't believe in guns,you want everyone else to fight your battles.
Uh ?? Excuse me ?? I am liberal on many issues and if you have read some of my posts you will notice that I am anything but anti-gun.

So, with that out of the way what does the war in Iraq have to do with "Moslem masses". Moslem's have existed for many centuries, many Moslems live in the USA already and most Moslem's have no desire to take over the world.

Also, to clue you in Iraq was mainly secular and had nothing to do with 911.

Time to stop listening to Rush, O'Reilly and Coulter.

[K0RGR]

Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Nov. 01 2006,15:04)]Bring on the moslem masses.
What's wrong with you people,we have to face it sooner or later.
Let's get it over with.
I have enough guns,and ammo to hold them off at my house,do you?
Oh,I forgot,you libs don't believe in guns,you want everyone else to fight your battles.
Reminds me a lot of another gifted Texican telling the Muslims in Iraq to "bring it on". That killed a couple thousand of our boys. Mission accomplished, I guess.

I fully support the right to bear arms. It's the only thing that keeps the right wing from taking over the country.

[w4rlr]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Nov. 02 2006,21:54)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Nov. 02 2006,19:28)]Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Nov. 01 2006,17:24)]We can no longer stay the course...Nope...It is time to turn around and elect different politicians. #Let the incumbent candidates stay the couse in their home towns BUT not in Washington, D.C.

I won't vote fopr Hilary...She wants to stay the course and just buy more bulletr proof vests for the troops.

w2ilp (I Like Peace)...Let us face facts...we can not change any religions by force. #This can only be done by education...and we must start by educating the religious nuits in the U.S. first.
Too bad the other guys don't share your "enlightened" attitude. With the fundamentalist Islamist, you have two choices.

1. Convert to Islam
2. Be put to death

Some choice, huh? Of course having only two choices makes the education very simple.

Yeah ,like they have nothing better to do than travel around the world #killing and converting everyone they find. Please, lets stop falling for the nonsense coming from the dems and repubs. Lets just tell them we #all converted #to Islam and they now have nothing to worry about. Then kick them out the door and back home to wherever they belong.
Tell you what. When you drag your happy little butt over to the Middle East and see this first hand (I HAVE) maybe then you will be more credible.

Until then, please do not try to impress us with things you know nothing about.

[KC2PBJ]

Quote[/b] (w3bny @ Nov. 01 2006,09:01)]I am far from hating my bothers and sisters in arms. #This little jaunt in Iraq is stupid and they need to come home and now! #Yeah I could see if we were after Bin Laden (which..BTW..Where is he...Shubby and Co. sure dont have a clue!)
He is probably living where many terrorists have been found hiding - living high on the hog in a French Villa previously owned and operated by the Ayatollah. France has long been a haven for those in exile or on the run - especially those who hate us.

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Nov. 01 2006,17:04)]Bring on the moslem masses.
What's wrong with you people,we have to face it sooner or later.
Let's get it over with.
I have enough guns,and ammo to hold them off at my house,do you?
Oh,I forgot,you libs don't believe in guns,you want everyone else to fight your battles.
I've got to agree with IZE, real liberals, in the true definition of the word, respect the freedoms of the Constitution which include the right to bear arms. Stop confusing Democratic politicians with liberals.

I also don't know that I agree with your conclusion that it's the 'masses' that we have to face. For the most part this is an extremist element within the Muslim community, though we're not exactly endearing ourselves to the middle-ground masses by such mis-steps as our activities in Iraq, and in the case of Iraq we may actually be helping to create extremism (been proven by more than one study both military and outside) as a result of war viewed as imperialistic and/or having less to do with combating terrorism and more to do with targets that some in our government have an agenda to want control of. I don't know that I agree that it's completely true that it is only about oil or control, but that is the way it is viewed and there may very well be a kernel of truth to it.

Let's remember that even a completely justifiable war creates an extremely stressful situation in the country it is being fought in, when your relatives and neighbors are being killed around you the revenge factor kicks in and clear or rational thought on the subject gets lost. Even more so when you are surrounded by highly polarized religious elements to start with, pretty easy to get sucked in.

The real insult to our troops would be putting them in a deadly situation with a bad plan, or no plan at all, or based on information that was either misleading or just untrue. I think the Bush administration took their eye off the real 'central front in the war on terror' when they stopped spending as much time and effort on Afghanistan and tracking where the money and people that participated in 9-11 came from. But, when you're buddies with the Saudis and doing big business maybe it's easier to distract the 'war on terror' to somewhere else that you already don't like (?). I certainly don't have the answers, but you've got to really wonder if this administration did either.

[W2ILP]

I don't love Muslims...but we must admit that the Muslim suicidal fighters are a formidable enemy. #This is because they have so much religious certitude and are willing to die before surrendering. #You might say that this was true for the Japanese soldiers as well because of the Kamakaizee pilots who died for Japan in WW2,...BUT when the leaders of Japan saw what an A-Bomb could do they did not consult a Bible to show them that they should have certitude in Shinto beliefs...Nope they were told by their physists that it was time to surrender and surrender they did. #
I don't love Muslims (repeated for emphasis)...BUT as a religious group Muslims will never surrender. #Muslims will never accept Israel even if their secular leaders agree to do so. #We have to understand this and we have to try to stay out of the RELIGIOUS WAR in the middle east because there will never be a compromise that can last and never a full surrender of all Muslim groups. #
Some Americans might also say that the Sabra Jews of Israel (those who were born there) also will never surrender. #I think that they might be pragmatic enough to even give up Israel some day...but not without a big fight. #I know that the othrodox Jews are not supposed to be soldiers...so that their certitude can not be depended upon to win wars. # I also know that without the help of the U.S. Israel can not survive. #Ohlmert has just visited Washington to confirm that GWB is still with him. #I think that the Democrats will likewise support Israel...so drastic changes in our middle east agenda can not be expected from most of them. #It is believed that if we leave Iraq...Iran and Syria will become bolder and unleach suicidal Muslims to attack Isreal in mass on the ground.
This is a big fear for Israel and they are begging for us to protect them. # I dunno what we must do...but as an atheist I blame it all on fundamentalist religions. #The Muslims and Jews will not live in peace. #The Catholic Pope is the only religious leader who is calling for peace at the present time. # We must act on what is morally humane. # We must not fall into the ignorance of religious certitude when planning for our own future security. #I don't think that many Americans realize the situation. #Some keep denying that we are dealing with a religious war in which neither side can win unless it destroys the other. #If push comes to shove the Muslims will eventually win...although I don't want to see that happen...This is because they have more insane religious certitude and there are more of them than there are Jews.

w2ilp (Israel's Lousey Policies)...have ignited Muslim religious certitude...to a point of no return.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ Nov. 14 2006,11:54)]The real insult to our troops would be putting them in a deadly situation with a bad plan, or no plan at all, or based on information that was either misleading or just untrue.
This is not the first time it has happened. FDR's War and Navy Departments were no better informed, equipped or prepared than Bush's, and the result was a war that we didn't want, and had the Japanese not attacked us, we would not have fought given the tenor of the Congress in those years.

Similarly, Truman's knickers were down around his ankles when the North Koreans marched south. It was his own Secretary who encouraged them in speech outlined our "sphere" of interest in which Korea was omitted.

Ike was a very reluctant warrior where Indochina was concerned, but Kennedy, and then Johnson, wanted to "make a statement" against the creeping spread of Communism in Asia. Johnson went bananas, and tried to manage each detail in the Oval Office (probably much like Rumsfeld -- who is very reminiscent of McNamara) losing it all in the end.

Bush I had Saddam in his grip and then couldn't hold his water when our "allies" and the Pentagon told him to let go of his ear. He should have had Schawartzkopf bring the ear back with him. Still attached.

Now Bush II has gotten us into something less than workable, and I am of the view that our biggest mistake (next to going there in the first place) was to disarm and disband the Iraqi army. Now, instead of just cutting and running, we should give our military the tools they need and give notice to the "government" of Iraq that we are going make a withdrawal -- and that we would prefer to leave a stable and capable government behind when we do. Ergo, we should "replace" a few of the cast in both Baghdad and Fallujah.

Somebody really needs to "get midevil" (in the immortal phrase of Marcellus in Pulp Fiction) with these folks. We can ill afford to have that much of the world's oil supply under the control of Iran, and that is what will happen if we just walk away.

[w0aew]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Nov. 14 2006,10:38)]We can ill afford to have that much of the world's oil supply under the control of Iran, and that is what will happen if we just walk away.
It's always been about the oil, unfortunately. And the relationship between blood and oil is approaching equity: a barrel of oil = a barrel of someone's blood.

Maybe we can cut out the middleman and just adapt our industries to run on blood. Maybe a pint a week from everybody would be less painful than having it extracted all at once from just a few.

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (w0aew @ Nov. 14 2006,10:47)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Nov. 14 2006,10:38)]We can ill afford to have that much of the world's oil supply under the control of Iran, and that is what will happen if we just walk away.
It's always been about the oil, unfortunately. #And the relationship between blood and oil is approaching equity: #a barrel of oil = a barrel of someone's blood.

Maybe we can cut out the middleman and just adapt our industries to run on blood. #Maybe a pint a week from everybody would be less painful than having it extracted all at once from just a few.
Well done Art.