VA Bans All Dogs at Hospital

[W0MT]

"Gerald Boren, accompanied by his two Yorkshire terriers, had been dropping off and picking up his wife at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center where she works for 17 years before he was ticketed for a violation of No. 11 of 45 prohibited items and actions at veterans' hospitals."

The dogs were in his vehicle--not out and running around!

Shows just how stupid government can be!

***link*** (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4503235)

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] ]"If they want this to be a law they need a sign outside," Boren said.

Absolutely right. Whoever came up with this one should get the Fed version of the Darwin Award - The Dubya Award.
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[kc7jty]

Don't be so quick to take sides. How about this scenario:

Dogs plop on the floor or seat in car. Occupant gets fecal material on clothes or shoes. Said material is brought into institution on clothes or shoes. People in institution upon multi sensory perception of material get upset. Old man on third floor contracts doggy pupu borne disease. Institution gets sued big time.

[W3MIV]

My experience of VA hospitals indicate that, should they decide to post a sign banning "dogs" they'd better specify the number of legs.

[W0MT]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 17 2006,10:21)]Don't be so quick to take sides. How about this scenario:

Dogs plop on the floor or seat in car. Occupant gets fecal material on clothes or shoes. Said material is brought into institution on clothes or shoes. People in institution upon multi sensory perception of material get upset. Old man on third floor contracts doggy pupu borne disease. Institution gets sued big time.
If that is a problem, then any vehicle entering the hospital grounds should never have been used to transport a dog (or child for that matter). And anyone entering the hospital grounds should have to go through a decontamination process to be sure they don't have any germs on them or fecal matter on their shoes or clothes. Just how far do you want to take your point?.

[w3bny]

thats funny.... I thought they cut funding for VA hospitals. And what "sterile" VA facility you been in. Any of the ones I have to go to....Im better off with the dog. And I dont like dogs!

[KA9VQF]

That is strange, I know a few veterans who are sight impaired and have seeing eye dogs.

One woman has a ‘companion’ dog to relive stress.

These people always have their dogs with them. The companion dog is a Pekinese.

[ac4ut]

Quote[/b] (W0MT @ Oct. 17 2006,10:48)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 17 2006,10:21)]Don't be so quick to take sides. How about this scenario:

Dogs plop on the floor or seat in car. Occupant gets fecal material on clothes or shoes. Said material is brought into institution on clothes or shoes. People in institution upon multi sensory perception of material get upset. Old man on third floor contracts doggy pupu borne disease. Institution gets sued big time.
If that is a problem, then any vehicle entering the hospital grounds should never have been used to transport a dog (or child for that matter). And anyone entering the hospital grounds should have to go through a decontamination process to be sure they don't have any germs on them or fecal matter on their shoes or clothes. Just how far do you want to take your point?.
Maybe they should also get an enema before the decontamination in case of an accident later.
In this way they will be purified.

[w8znx]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 17 2006,10:21)]Don't be so quick to take sides. How about this scenario:

Dogs plop on the floor or seat in car. Occupant gets fecal material on clothes or shoes. Said material is brought into institution on clothes or shoes. People in institution upon multi sensory perception of material get upset. Old man on third floor contracts doggy pupu borne disease. Institution gets sued big time.
sry will not fly

in over 50+ years of beeing around dogs
have yet to have one take a dump in a car

how many diseases do people get from dogs
nearly none

how many diseases do people get from other people
lots

what has more disease germs
a homeless alcoholic Nam Vet

or some pet dog

its another example of bureaucratic bull

its always easier to make a rule aganst something

its a pity that so many places
that people are stuck in
( like hospitals and nurseing homes )
do not alow dogs and cats to visit

nothing nothing cheers up many people
in hospital more
then a visit from a dog or cat

hell if i was in hospital
a visit by my dog
would cheer me up much more
than just about anything else

Mac

[K5RCD]

Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Oct. 17 2006,14:04)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 17 2006,10:21)]Don't be so quick to take sides. How about this scenario:



what has more disease germs
a homeless alcoholic Nam Vet

or some pet dog


Why NAM Vet? #

Do you have a particular issue with Viet Nam Veterans?

Are we more disease ridden or likely to be alcoholics than any other Vets ?

I think you owe all Viet Nam Vets an apology. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W0MT @ Oct. 17 2006,10:48)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 17 2006,10:21)]Don't be so quick to take sides. How about this scenario:

Dogs plop on the floor or seat in car. Occupant gets fecal material on clothes or shoes. Said material is brought into institution on clothes or shoes. People in institution upon multi sensory perception of material get upset. Old man on third floor contracts doggy pupu borne disease. Institution gets sued big time.
If that is a problem, then any vehicle entering the hospital grounds should never have been used to transport a dog (or child for that matter). And anyone entering the hospital grounds should have to go through a decontamination process to be sure they don't have any germs on them or fecal matter on their shoes or clothes. Just how far do you want to take your point?.
I wasn't necessarily in favor of my hypothesis just suggesting the thought. As you have pointed out the possibilities are endless. Are they to likely follow in succession?

Are we going to continue to lose our freedoms as the population steadily grows? I think the answer to that is obvious.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Oct. 17 2006,10:56)]One woman has a ‘companion’ dog to relive stress.
I think if an entrepeneur was to tap into just 1% of the women who have companion dogs to relieve stress population he would hit the fortune 500 overnight.

The Van Impe ministries are well aware of this bonanza.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ Oct. 17 2006,11:23)]In this way they will be purified.
I believe temporarily rendered harmless would have been a better description.

[n0jaa]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 17 2006,13:21)]Don't be so quick to take sides. How about this scenario:

Dogs plop on the floor or seat in car. Occupant gets fecal material on clothes or shoes. Said material is brought into institution on clothes or shoes. People in institution upon multi sensory perception of material get upset. Old man on third floor contracts doggy pupu borne disease. Institution gets sued big time.
That scenario is pointless. #Even if the fellow didn't have dogs, what's to prevent him from bringing something else in on his clothes or shoes that might have an even more detrimental effect to the patients? #

Perhaps we should mandate the sterilization of all persons who desire to enter a hospital? #Put them through a chlorine bath at the entrance, perhaps. #Or strip them to their skivvies and scrub them down with a strong anti-bacterial soap, while their watches, eyeglasses, change, tie clips, false teeth, etc. are being put through an autoclave, then make them walk through an airlock...

Ridiculous, isn't it?




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[n7rjd]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Oct. 17 2006,04:46)]My experience of VA hospitals indicate that, should they decide to post a sign banning "dogs" they'd better specify the number of legs.
Without specifying as you suggest they may find themselves short on staff. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[n0jaa]

Quote[/b] (k5rcd @ Oct. 17 2006,16:07)]I think you owe all Viet Nam Vets an apology. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
I don't think anyone owes anyone anything. #Do you think that Vietnam vets should be treated special and everyone else treated as dung?

What about WWII vets, Korean vets, even Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom vets? #Do they not matter?

What about civilians who were critically injured in a coal mine explosion, or a chemical spill, or even a military action? #Do they also not matter?

Your demand for an apology to Vietnam vets is nothing short of ludicrous. #Perhaps you owe everyone else an apology.

As for me, it doesn't matter if I receive an apology or not, because I couldn't care less. #Eveyone maintains that military veterans should receive special treatment, but no one even lifts a finger for the civilians who were left behind.

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[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Oct. 17 2006,14:09)]#Or strip them to their skivvies and scrub them down with a strong anti-bacterial soap, while their watches, eyeglasses, change, tie clips, false teeth, etc. are being put through an autoclave, then make them walk through an airlock...

Ridiculous, isn't it?
You have just described all air passenger preboarding requirements in the near future, after a terrorist was discovered to have E coli under his fingernails.

[n0jaa]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 17 2006,17:22)]Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Oct. 17 2006,14:09)]#Or strip them to their skivvies and scrub them down with a strong anti-bacterial soap, while their watches, eyeglasses, change, tie clips, false teeth, etc. are being put through an autoclave, then make them walk through an airlock...

Ridiculous, isn't it?
You have just described all air passenger preboarding requirements in the near future, after a terrorist was discovered to have E coli under his fingernails.
I wouldn't doubt that one bit! It'll happen during Dubya's fifth term.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Oct. 17 2006,14:30)]#It'll happen during Dubya's fifth term.
That's right! After the future "terrorist" attack which produced a catastrophe so cruel, so foul (Holy Grail) W was officially installed as premier eminance for life.
He assumed the permanent title of "His Royal Protuberance".

His wife Laura came to be known (although it wasn't official) as:
"Dingbat for life"

[n0jaa]

You've been watching too much Monty Python, methinks!

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[K5RCD]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Oct. 17 2006,16:22)]Quote[/b] (k5rcd @ Oct. 17 2006,16:07)]I think you owe all Viet Nam Vets an apology. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
I don't think anyone owes anyone anything. #Do you think that Vietnam vets should be treated special and everyone else treated as dung?

What about WWII vets, Korean vets, even Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom vets? #Do they not matter?

What about civilians who were critically injured in a coal mine explosion, or a chemical spill, or even a military action? #Do they also not matter?

Your demand for an apology to Vietnam vets is nothing short of ludicrous. #Perhaps you owe everyone else an apology.

As for me, it doesn't matter if I receive an apology or not, because I couldn't care less. #Eveyone maintains that military veterans should receive special treatment, but no one even lifts a finger for the civilians who were left behind.

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Go back and re read his post. He took a swipe specifically at NAM Vets THAT is the point ! It is an insult only because he singled out Viet Nam Vets. Do you GET it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #DUH ?

The only thing "ludicrous" is your failure to engage your brain before putting your fingers into gear.

[W2ILP]

What about cats?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

I though that every dog has his copay.

w2ilp (I Like Pets)...but maybe some might be terrorists? Some are known to bite government workers, such as mailmen. The VA can't take chances. You never can tell what a pet may leave behind.

[n1ydx]

Howdy
I'm a Viet Nam vet and that was the first thing that struck me about that statement. Why mention a Viet Nam Vet ? Could you not have said ' A homeless lice-covered Service Veteran ?' Then you could have p*ssed off more people.

You sure P*sse* me off. Bad Bad Bad

N1YDX - Sarge

[w8znx]

Quote[/b] (n1ydx @ Oct. 17 2006,15:40)]Howdy
I'm a Viet Nam vet and that was the first thing that struck me about that statement. Why mention a Viet Nam Vet ? Could you not have said ' A homeless lice-covered Service Veteran ?' Then you could have p*ssed off more people.

You sure P*sse* me off. Bad Bad Bad

N1YDX - Sarge
have beer at the VFW club room bar

move on get a life

where did i say lice covered

was beeing nice
used the word alcoholic not wino

you and some others here
sure are quick to take offence

Mac

[ne6ao]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 17 2006,14:44)]Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Oct. 17 2006,14:30)]#It'll happen during Dubya's fifth term.
That's right! After the future "terrorist" attack which produced a catastrophe so cruel, so foul (Holy Grail) W was officially installed as premier eminance for life.
He assumed the permanent title of "His Royal Protuberance".

His wife Laura came to be known (although it wasn't official) as:
# # # # # #"Dingbat for life"
sayin somethin abt the pres ok but its not proper to go after his family.if you loved the pres you would go to great lenghts to respect his family and dont tell me anything abt collateral damage ,if your gonna hit hit surgically.

[KF0RT]

The article I read on this mentioned a dog lunging at a passerby from within a car. Freaked the dood out and he fell down on the pavement, causing injury. Time for a new law!!!

This is why grocery carts have seat belts. People have lost the ability to just "roll" with life.

73, Rob

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Oct. 17 2006,19:51)]People have lost the ability to just "roll" with life.
Some have. But not the trial lawyers.

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[ac4ut]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Oct. 17 2006,16:51)]The article I read on this mentioned a dog lunging at a passerby from within a car. #Freaked the dood out and he fell down on the pavement, causing injury. #Time for a new law!!!

This is why grocery carts have seat belts. #People have lost the ability to just "roll" with life.

73, Rob
I agree and mention this in another thread and got ridiculed.
Self reliance is dying along with the human species.

[n0jaa]

Quote[/b] (k5rcd @ Oct. 17 2006,18:23)]Go back and re read his post. He took a swipe specifically at NAM Vets THAT is the point ! It is an insult only because he singled out Viet Nam Vets. Do you GET it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #DUH ?

The only thing "ludicrous" is your failure to engage your brain before putting your fingers into gear.
Go back to your room and sit in the corner. You're the one who doesn't "get" it.

[w8znx]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Oct. 18 2006,11:25)]Quote[/b] (k5rcd @ Oct. 17 2006,18:23)]Go back and re read his post. He took a swipe specifically at NAM Vets THAT is the point ! It is an insult only because he singled out Viet Nam Vets. Do you GET it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #DUH ?

The only thing "ludicrous" is your failure to engage your brain before putting your fingers into gear.
Go back to your room and sit in the corner. #You're the one who doesn't "get" it.
sinh loi mofo
simple but sad fact
as of 10 years ago there were more
homeless Nam Vets than any other kind of vet

the VA system sucks
the neo cons in power
would rather spend money on bombs

than on ageing vets

some of my closest friends are Nam Vets

funny how it happend
must have been time spent in the army
and that fun filled year in Viet Nam

yes that's it
met whole lot of
guys all walking around together
wearing od green
in a warm place far far away from home

Mac

[K5RCD]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Oct. 18 2006,13:25)]Quote[/b] (k5rcd @ Oct. 17 2006,18:23)]Go back and re read his post. He took a swipe specifically at NAM Vets THAT is the point ! It is an insult only because he singled out Viet Nam Vets. Do you GET it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #DUH ?

The only thing "ludicrous" is your failure to engage your brain before putting your fingers into gear.
Go back to your room and sit in the corner. #You're the one who doesn't "get" it.
I am sorry Paul. I apologize. I did not understand the depth of your problems. I would have overlooked your failure to understand the discussion. I hope you get better and look forward to working you on the air one of these days. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[K5RCD]

Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Oct. 18 2006,14:39)]Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Oct. 18 2006,11:25)]Quote[/b] (k5rcd @ Oct. 17 2006,18:23)]Go back and re read his post. He took a swipe specifically at NAM Vets THAT is the point ! It is an insult only because he singled out Viet Nam Vets. Do you GET it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #DUH ?

The only thing "ludicrous" is your failure to engage your brain before putting your fingers into gear.
Go back to your room and sit in the corner. #You're the one who doesn't "get" it.
sinh loi mofo
simple but sad fact
as of 10 years ago there were more
homeless Nam Vets than any other kind of vet

the VA system sucks
the neo cons in power
would rather spend money on bombs

than on ageing vets

some of my closest friends are Nam Vets

funny how it happend
must have been time spent in the army
and that fun filled year in Viet Nam

yes that's it
met whole lot of
guys all walking around together
wearing od green
in a warm place far far away from home

Mac
Mac: As of 10 years ago there were more
Nam Vets PERIOD,than any other kind of vet.

I do not deny that we Viet Nam Vets have more than our share of homelessness. It is sad that SOME of it IS service connected. I believe much of it is not.

As far as VA care goes, yes it could be better, but the cuts made were cuts to NON -Service related health problems. I don't have a big problem with that.

The VA still delivers reasonable quality care for service connected medical problems and disabilities. As a matter of fact the number and type of agent orange related health problems now covered by Veterans benefits has increased dramatically under the current administration. The amount of compensation for service related disabilities has continued to increase with the cost of living index as with previous administrations.

As a disabled Viet Nam combat Veteran I have no major complaints with the Veteran's Administration. Granted, I will be pissed if I end up in the VA hospital for a cochlear implant, and my XYL is not allowed into the parking lot because she has my dogs in the car. I don't see that as a political issue however, just an example of the typical idiocy common to our public agencies. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (ne6ao @ Oct. 17 2006,16:23)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 17 2006,14:44)]Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Oct. 17 2006,14:30)]#It'll happen during Dubya's fifth term.
That's right! After the future "terrorist" attack which produced a catastrophe so cruel, so foul (Holy Grail) W was officially installed as premier eminance for life.
He assumed the permanent title of "His Royal Protuberance".

His wife Laura came to be known (although it wasn't official) as:
# # # # # #"Dingbat for life"
sayin somethin abt the pres ok but its not proper to go after his family.if you loved the pres you would go to great lenghts to respect his family and dont tell me anything abt collateral damage ,if your gonna hit hit surgically.
I don't speak abt. The pres or anything. The first lady is fair game, dingbat. The twins are game too but they should go to Iraq but dingbat would not approve, only your kids are approved. Remember Chelsey? She was a gamer. How about tipper & Egore?
Point your weapon outward before you fire.