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Quote[/b] ]...as midterm elections approach this November, electronic voting machines are making things worse instead of better. Studies have demonstrated that hackers can easily rig the technology to fix an election - and across the country this year, faulty equipment and lax security have repeatedly undermined election primaries. In Tarrant County, Texas, electronic machines counted some ballots as many as six times, recording 100,000 more votes than were actually cast.
* LINK * (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hac ked)
Will illegal aliens vote?
Will dead folks vote?
Will homeless people be picked up in vans, given cigarrettes, and a list of who to vote as they are driven to the polls?
Anywhere in the US will voters be asked to show ID to prove they are who they claim to be?
KC2KFC
10-17-2006, 12:21 PM
If the democrats win then it will be considered a fair election, but if they lose then it will be a rigged election. Time for a new play book guys.
Quote[/b] (KF4PEP @ Oct. 17 2006,00:56)]Will illegal aliens vote?
Will dead folks vote?
Will homeless people be picked up in vans, given cigarrettes, and a list of who to vote as they are driven to the polls?
Anywhere in the US will voters be asked to show ID to prove they are who they claim to be?
Proof? And not some propaganda organ or blog please. A place where their employees wear press credentials and can go to jail for being accountable.
Democrats lost two elections on proven fraud in '00 and '04. Look around, it's been posted numerous times. I suppose besides not looking at polls, neo-kons don't believe in facts they don't agree with either. If there's a story they disagree with it's the "LIBERAL PRESS". Neo-kons are giving a whole new meaning to 'family values'. Kids are safer with Michael Myers. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
It just shows, if neo-kons are trying to justify Foley why stop there? Let's steal the election again and justify that too. I can't imagine why Americans are turning to Democrats in record numbers.
Rush Limbaugh know all about family values, doesn't he?
Quote[/b] (K1OU @ Oct. 17 2006,08:57)]Rush Limbaugh know all about family values, doesn't he?
* Rush * (http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7730/limbaugh1xa5.jpg)
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7730/limbaugh1xa5.jpg
And Newt Gingrich! Serves divorce papers to a wife who has cancer. That's staying the course.
k9kxq
10-17-2006, 01:08 PM
I see the neo cons are in a state of denial, if the Democrats win it will be fair, Americans are feed up with the present administrations lies and deceit and it will show in the elections come November.
Some republicans are voting against their own party and that says alot about what they want in government and what they are tired of.
Republicans have had a strangle hold on both houses for 12 years, in the last 10 years they have voted in 3 raises while the minimum wage has stayed the same, they have rubber stamped everthing GW has asked for, now get a load of this H.R. 6166: Military Commissions Act of 2006 you think things are bad now, you aint seen nothing yet...
kxq
KC2KFC
10-17-2006, 01:12 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 17 2006,05:55)]...It just shows, if neo-kons are trying to justify Foley why stop there?
I'm not sure who is justifying Foley because he did resign his seat and there is an investigation, a slow one.
I will bring it up again, though. The age of consent in Washington D.C., a city filled with polical scumbags, is only 16 years old. So the first thing that needs to happen is the age of consent should be raised to 18 years of age. I've written a letter to my congressman and both senators and expressed that to them. I think everyone should consider doing the same.
KC2KFC
10-17-2006, 01:18 PM
Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 17 2006,06:08)]I see the neo cons are in a state of denial, if the Democrats win it will be fair, Americans are feed up with the present administrations lies and deceit and it will show in the elections come November.
Some republicans are voting against their own party and that says alot about what they want in government and what they are tired of.
Republicans have had a strangle hold on both houses for 12 years, in the last 10 years they have voted in 3 raises while the minimum wage has stayed the same, they have rubber stamped everthing GW has asked for, now get a load of this H.R. 6166: Military Commissions Act of 2006 you think things are bad now, you aint seen nothing yet...
kxq
So only democrats can win a fair election? There are absolutely no scumbags in the democratic party? They are all as pure as spring water? C'mon wake up. There are scumbags in both parties and always will be. Politics is all about power and that's all each party is interested in is power. They don't care about you or me they just want the power so they can spend YOUR money on their little pet projects and political hacks.
k9kxq
10-17-2006, 01:23 PM
Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Oct. 17 2006,08:18)]Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 17 2006,06:08)]I see the neo cons are in a state of denial, if the Democrats win it will be fair, Americans are feed up with the present administrations lies and deceit and it will show in the elections come November.
Some republicans are voting against their own party and that says alot about what they want in government and what they are tired of.
Republicans have had a strangle hold on both houses for 12 years, in the last 10 years they have voted in 3 raises while the minimum wage has stayed the same, they have rubber stamped everthing GW has asked for, now get a load of this H.R. 6166: Military Commissions Act of 2006 you think things are bad now, you aint seen nothing yet...
kxq
So only democrats can win a fair election? There are absolutely no scumbags in the democratic party? They are all as pure as spring water? C'mon wake up. There are scumbags in both parties and always will be. Politics is all about power and that's all each party is interested in is power. They don't care about you or me they just want the power so they can spend YOUR money on their little pet projects and political hacks.
I don't dispute your opinion of crooks in both parties, I agree with that, but all the crooks are turning up on the right,why? because they have had a strangle hold for 12 years and got comfortable with the tax payers money...
kxq
Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Oct. 17 2006,09:12)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 17 2006,05:55)]...It just shows, if neo-kons are trying to justify Foley why stop there?
I'm not sure who is justifying Foley because he did resign his seat and there is an investigation, a slow one.
I will bring it up again, though. The age of consent in Washington D.C., a city filled with polical scumbags, is only 16 years old. So the first thing that needs to happen is the age of consent should be raised to 18 years of age. I've written a letter to my congressman and both senators and expressed that to them. I think everyone should consider doing the same.
And I will bring this up again also. Age of consent does NOT mean CONSENT. Without consent, this opens the door for Harrassment, S-word Harrassment, S-word Assault (as the law is written in NY), and even stalking. Foley is also the person who wrote the laws on this, which means he did it knowing exactly what he was doing wrong.
There is still no independent investingation as promised by "the buck stops here" Hastert as of today.
Is this justifying Foley's behaviour? Well at the very least, the Family Values Republicans don't seem to feel any of this is important. I used to wonder what "No Child Left Behind" meant until this happened. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
KC2KFC
10-17-2006, 01:43 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 17 2006,06:32)]And I will bring this up again also. Age of consent does NOT mean CONSENT. Without consent, this opens the door for Harrassment, S-word Harrassment, S-word Assault (as the law is written in NY), and even stalking. Foley is also the person who wrote the laws on this, which means he did it knowing exactly what he was doing wrong.
There is still no independent investingation as promised by "the buck stops here" Hastert as of today.
Is this justifying Foley's behaviour? Well at the very least, the Family Values Republicans don't seem to feel any of this is important. I used to wonder what "No Child Left Behind" meant until this happened. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
You're absolutely right about that. But the bottom line is, to get a criminal charge it is tougher when the age of consent is so low. Believe me there is no excuse for what Foley did. He's a dirtbag, but he beat everyone to the punch by first resigning his seat then checking into some phony baloney alcohol rehab. If he's not a member of the House then the House can't punish him. The FBI has even said there may not be enough evidence of wrong doing to file a charge. Is Foley a hypocrite? He sure is in my book. But in all fairness I would bet you cash money if he was a democrat and the democrats were the majority party the exact same thing would happen as far as an investigation. Because in politics it's all about the party being in power and in control so they can spend YOUR money.
Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Oct. 17 2006,09:43)]You're absolutely right about that. But the bottom line is, to get a criminal charge it is tougher when the age of consent is so low. Believe me there is no excuse for what Foley did. He's a dirtbag, but he beat everyone to the punch by first resigning his seat then checking into some phony baloney alcohol rehab. If he's not a member of the House then the House can't punish him. The FBI has even said there may not be enough evidence of wrong doing to file a charge. Is Foley a hypocrite? He sure is in my book. But in all fairness I would bet you cash money if he was a democrat and the democrats were the majority party the exact same thing would happen as far as an investigation. Because in politics it's all about the party being in power and in control so they can spend YOUR money.
I'd really like to see closure on this. There is always suspicion, and it may well be unwarranted, that if action isn't being taken that there is something being hidden. Being responsible is taking the high road. That is not the perception that America is getting. Getting away with this is going to be a festering wound that will only smell worse by election day. And suspicions that this is just the tip of the iceberg aren't going to help either. If this can be of little importance, will all the allegations of election irregularities with electronic voting be dealt with the same way? So far that's exactly what's happened and it's in danger of violating our right to our vote. Yet again.
Too bad. I believe that Americans expect more than this from their government. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
KA8NCR
10-17-2006, 04:28 PM
Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Oct. 17 2006,06:18)]Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 17 2006,06:08)]I see the neo cons are in a state of denial, if the Democrats win it will be fair, Americans are feed up with the present administrations lies and deceit and it will show in the elections come November.
Some republicans are voting against their own party and that says alot about what they want in government and what they are tired of.
Republicans have had a strangle hold on both houses for 12 years, in the last 10 years they have voted in 3 raises while the minimum wage has stayed the same, they have rubber stamped everthing GW has asked for, now get a load of this H.R. 6166: Military Commissions Act of 2006 you think things are bad now, you aint seen nothing yet...
kxq
So only democrats can win a fair election? There are absolutely no scumbags in the democratic party? They are all as pure as spring water? C'mon wake up. There are scumbags in both parties and always will be. Politics is all about power and that's all each party is interested in is power. They don't care about you or me they just want the power so they can spend YOUR money on their little pet projects and political hacks.
I am so sick of the "yeah, my party is corrupt but so is yours" game.
Really. Using it to justify bad policy is lame. Ditto for the "I'm so glad Kerry or Gore wasn't elected...we'd be in a big mess then". Must be one hell of a crystal ball at your QTH.
W1GUH
10-17-2006, 04:47 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 16 2006,07:32)]Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Oct. 17 2006,09:12)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 17 2006,05:55)]...It just shows, if neo-kons are trying to justify Foley why stop there?
I'm not sure who is justifying Foley because he did resign his seat and there is an investigation, a slow one.
I will bring it up again, though. The age of consent in Washington D.C., a city filled with polical scumbags, is only 16 years old. So the first thing that needs to happen is the age of consent should be raised to 18 years of age. I've written a letter to my congressman and both senators and expressed that to them. I think everyone should consider doing the same.
And I will bring this up again also. #Age of consent does NOT mean CONSENT. #Without consent, this opens the door for Harrassment, S-word Harrassment, S-word Assault (as the law is written in NY), and even stalking. #Foley is also the person who wrote the laws on this, which means he did it knowing exactly what he was doing wrong. #
There is still no independent investingation as promised by "the buck stops here" Hastert as of today. #
Is this justifying Foley's behaviour? #Well at the very least, the Family Values Republicans don't seem to feel any of this is important. #I used to wonder what "No Child Left Behind" meant until this happened. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
I looked up the various states' age of consent on the web and came up with interesting laws. #(I forget if any apply to D.C., though.)
In states where the age of consent is low, some stipulated that the age difference between the parties is four years or less or that the couple is married. #
Also, in a few states where the age of consent is 16 or less, it's 18 for homosexual relations. #Don't think this is in the D.C. law.
(Surprised gay people haven't spoken out about this discrimination.)
"Foley is also the person who wrote the laws on this, which means he did it knowing exactly what he was doing wrong."
Well, I think we've seen enough evidence that Members of Congress don't have a clue about what's going on to question this. #His name may be on the bill, but it's plausible that someone else wrote it and, as a quid pro quo favor, offered to put Foley's name on it as one of the authors. #This would not surprise me at all.
KA9VQF
10-17-2006, 05:09 PM
Do you actually think your vote really counts now?
Or ever?
Go ahead and look at the actual popular votes for the last two presidential elections. Use your friend google or whatever search engine you prefer.
You might be surprised that the popular vote did not elect the president.
The electoral college did. Well actually the supreme court did the last one.
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 17 2006,05:55)]Quote[/b] (KF4PEP @ Oct. 17 2006,00:56)]Will illegal aliens vote?
Will dead folks vote?
Will homeless people be picked up in vans, given cigarrettes, and a list of who to vote as they are driven to the polls?
Anywhere in the US will voters be asked to show ID to prove they are who they claim to be?
Proof? #And not some propaganda organ or blog please. #A place where their employees wear press credentials and can go to jail for being accountable.
Democrats lost two elections on proven fraud in '00 and '04. #Look around, it's been posted numerous times. #I suppose besides not looking at polls, neo-kons don't believe in facts they don't agree with either. #If there's a story they disagree with it's the "LIBERAL PRESS". # Neo-kons are giving a whole new meaning to 'family values'. #Kids are safer with Michael Myers. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
It just shows, if neo-kons are trying to justify Foley why stop there? #Let's steal the election again and justify that too. #I can't imagine why Americans are turning to Democrats in record numbers.
No, there has not been proof.
The best anyone ever shows when I ask for it is:
"Some dude messed with the computer and I don't know what he did"
All that proves is the election worker writing it was a moron who failed to do his/her job properly.
"The polls don't match the outcome" yet the ones that push that agenda tend to only cite evidince that supports thier claim ignoring the evidince that does not. I showed that with the article from RFK that I belive it was you who posted.
Accounts of miscounting that do not show that one party benifited because a person or persons fixed it that way do not prove fraud, just negligence.
Proof is showing that at XXXX precinct XXX votes for candidate XXX were changed by XXX person.
Until you have that you have circumstance and conjecture.
As for other types of fraud, ACORN is a common offender. (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/2FFCFD5F3B39A33786257204000CD95B?OpenDocument) Charges and results still pending from what I find.
WOW, an actual conviction for vote buying! (http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ils/press/2006/Jan/01302006_ThomasJohnsonSentencing.pdf)
More details on dem vote buying in East St. Louis! (http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ils/press/2006/Feb/02062006_EllisLewissentencing.pdf)
Paid democratic operative slash the tires of GOP get out the vote vans... convictions resulted. Plus lots of other good examples of dem misconduct. (http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072005/democraticincidents.html)
In case you did not belive the American Center for Voting rights about the tire slashing, here it is in USA today.... and oh yeah, one was the son of Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Wis. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-01-24-tires-slashed_x.htm)
Dem mayor who defrauded elderly voters into filing false reasons to vote absentee and filling out the ballots to vote for himself. Google his name for his party affiliation and to see he faces yet more charges. Think his race was the only he marked the way he wanted? (http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/74787)
I can go on and on, but just a couple minutes I have shown you reliable sources for vote buying, absentee ballot fraud, vandalism of GOP vans, all by dems, most by official campaign workers or candidates, all that have been prosecuted and resulted in convictions.
Now, show me you SOLID proof of electronic fraud, to include convictions and hard numbers that can be proven. Not articles by RFK that are selective in what evidence he uses, not accounts of "some dude messed with the computer but what he did we don't know".
Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Oct. 17 2006,10:09)]Do you actually think your vote really counts now?
Or ever?
Go ahead and look at the actual popular votes for the last two presidential elections. Use your friend google or whatever search engine you prefer.
You might be surprised that the popular vote did not elect the president.
The electoral college did. Well actually the supreme court did the last one.
You must have a public school education, as the Electoral College is supposed to do exactly what it did..it is in this neat little document called the Constitution...try reading it some day. Like you said, the serach engine of your choice will explain why it exists and why the system is like it is.
As for the Supreme court comment, it just shows you are equally ignorant on what the ruling actually said. And by the way that was 2 elections ago, but thanks for playing.
People who are this ignorant on the Constitution, how our system works, or even current events really should not be voting. If you don't understand the basic principles of how our system works should we trust you to be a part of it?
KA9VQF
10-17-2006, 06:14 PM
You nearly got me going there. Yeah I didn’t edit the post the way I meant to before sending it. The line should have been
Quote[/b] ] Well actually the supreme court did one.
I’m a bit tired just now, I work third shift and should not have posted what I deleted.
Now for a few suggestions:
Do not attack me for what you think my level of education or intelligents may be. There is a real good chance you are wrong.
Try real hard to never make a flub on your own posts cuz I just may be looking.
KC2KFC
10-17-2006, 08:08 PM
Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ Oct. 17 2006,09:28)]Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Oct. 17 2006,06:18)]Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 17 2006,06:08)]I see the neo cons are in a state of denial, if the Democrats win it will be fair, Americans are feed up with the present administrations lies and deceit and it will show in the elections come November.
Some republicans are voting against their own party and that says alot about what they want in government and what they are tired of.
Republicans have had a strangle hold on both houses for 12 years, in the last 10 years they have voted in 3 raises while the minimum wage has stayed the same, they have rubber stamped everthing GW has asked for, now get a load of this H.R. 6166: Military Commissions Act of 2006 you think things are bad now, you aint seen nothing yet...
kxq
So only democrats can win a fair election? There are absolutely no scumbags in the democratic party? They are all as pure as spring water? C'mon wake up. There are scumbags in both parties and always will be. Politics is all about power and that's all each party is interested in is power. They don't care about you or me they just want the power so they can spend YOUR money on their little pet projects and political hacks.
I am so sick of the "yeah, my party is corrupt but so is yours" game.
Really. Using it to justify bad policy is lame. Ditto for the "I'm so glad Kerry or Gore wasn't elected...we'd be in a big mess then". Must be one hell of a crystal ball at your QTH.
Sounds like you're the one toting the crystal ball around. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ Oct. 17 2006,11:14)]You nearly got me going there. Yeah I didn’t edit the post the way I meant to before sending it. The line should have been
Quote[/b] ] Well actually the supreme court did one.
I’m a bit tired just now, I work third shift and should not have posted what I deleted.
Now for a few suggestions:
Do not attack me for what you think my level of education or intelligents may be. There is a real good chance you are wrong.
Try real hard to never make a flub on your own posts cuz I just may be looking.
Well, nice comeback, but you managed to refute one tiny part by attributing it to a editing mistake.
You are still way off on your understanding of the Electoral College if you think the popular vote should have elected the president, or are upset that it did not. You also lack understanding of US history and our form of government.
The statement you made about the Supreme Court decision was not only off in when it was, but what it was. Plus if you go back and look at the recounts done by the papers after the election just to see who would have one had the court ruled the other way....the outcome would have been the same even had the dems had thier way. See here. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1190222.stm)
n0jaa
10-17-2006, 08:35 PM
It probably won't matter much, but this year I am going the absentee ballot path.
Quote[/b] (KF4PEP @ Oct. 17 2006,13:42)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 17 2006,05:55)]Quote[/b] (KF4PEP @ Oct. 17 2006,00:56)]Will illegal aliens vote?
Will dead folks vote?
Will homeless people be picked up in vans, given cigarrettes, and a list of who to vote as they are driven to the polls?
Anywhere in the US will voters be asked to show ID to prove they are who they claim to be?
Proof? And not some propaganda organ or blog please. A http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif[/img]
It just shows, if neo-kons are trying to justify Foley why stop there? Let's steal the election again and justify that too. I can't imagine why Americans are turning to Democrats in record numbers.
No, there has not been proof.
The best anyone ever shows when I ask for it is:
"Some dude messed with the computer and I don't know what he did"
All that proves is the election worker writing it was a moron who failed to do his/her job properly.
"The polls don't match the outcome" yet the ones that push that agenda tend to only cite evidince that supports thier claim ignoring the evidince that does not. I showed that with the article from RFK that I belive it was you who posted.
Accounts of miscounting that do not show that one party benifited because a person or persons fixed it that way do not prove fraud, just negligence.
Proof is showing that at XXXX precinct XXX votes for candidate XXX were changed by XXX person.
Until you have that you have circumstance and conjecture.
As for other types of fraud, [url="http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/2FFCFD5F3B39A33786257204000CD95B?OpenDocument"]ACORN is a common offender. (place where their employees wear press credentials and can go to jail for being accountable.
Democrats lost two elections on proven fraud in '00 and '04. Look around, it's been posted numerous times. I suppose besides not looking at polls, neo-kons don't believe in facts they don't agree with either. If there's a story they disagree with it's the "LIBERAL PRESS". Neo-kons are giving a whole new meaning to 'family values'. Kids are safer with Michael Myers. [img) Charges and results still pending from what I find.
WOW, an actual conviction for vote buying! (http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ils/press/2006/Jan/01302006_ThomasJohnsonSentencing.pdf)
More details on dem vote buying in East St. Louis! (http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ils/press/2006/Feb/02062006_EllisLewissentencing.pdf)
Paid democratic operative slash the tires of GOP get out the vote vans... convictions resulted. Plus lots of other good examples of dem misconduct. (http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072005/democraticincidents.html)
In case you did not belive the American Center for Voting rights about the tire slashing, here it is in USA today.... and oh yeah, one was the son of Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Wis. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-01-24-tires-slashed_x.htm)
Dem mayor who defrauded elderly voters into filing false reasons to vote absentee and filling out the ballots to vote for himself. Google his name for his party affiliation and to see he faces yet more charges. Think his race was the only he marked the way he wanted? (http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/74787)
I can go on and on, but just a couple minutes I have shown you reliable sources for vote buying, absentee ballot fraud, vandalism of GOP vans, all by dems, most by official campaign workers or candidates, all that have been prosecuted and resulted in convictions.
Now, show me you SOLID proof of electronic fraud, to include convictions and hard numbers that can be proven. Not articles by RFK that are selective in what evidence he uses, not accounts of "some dude messed with the computer but what he did we don't know".
The Acorn link made an allegation that has, as of yet, been uproven. Something which you are saying I shouldn't do in your post. As usual, Conservative Rights claimed by neo-cons that nobody else should have.
Of the remaining links, all but one is about RELATIVES of Democrats committing crimes.
The last one was illegal. He violated the law on 8 votes. Even these shouldn't make any excuse for peoples right for their votes to count - OKAY??
Congratulations for re-inventing the wheel.
Wow, Democrats aren't angels. Unlike all those wonderful Republicans. But wait! For some NAMES, lets go to the Archives:
* Corrupt Republicans who don't want your vote to count * (http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?SearchID=73179061002595&Avis=CM&Dato=20040714&Kategori=REPOSITORY&Lopenr=407140340&Ref=AR)
Mind you, I found all this in a Conservative press that wasn't then covering many stories on Republican corruption. They were intimidated into dropping the ball. Case in point, this linky to the same story that isn't archived anymore - just swept under the rug like so many neo-con lies:
* Link * (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040728_1286.html)
Howsabout this one dood?
FROM the Associated Press - Quietly Florida Admits 2000 Election Fraud (http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.28A.Election.Fraud.htm)
You can discount the Rolling Stone article all you want but there is an admission by a Diebold consultant that machine software was altered in 5,000 machines in DeKalb and Fulton counties on the day of the election.
I can't imagine why anybody would trust these machines. There isn't just one, but multiple problems with these machines, too many to trust any election to. Of course, now that we've established that both sides will resort to chicanery, how long before there is a true investigation into this.
Especially if the votes count and there is a big enough change on election day. With business no longer as usual and Boss Hogg type politics out the window, maybe we'll get to the true story of these "allegations". There has yet to be a real investigation into any of this - Why? I wonder how many news stories will be written about that and whose names will come up then?
Oh, let's hear from Clint Curtis. This is for more than 8 votes and did more to affect an election than some kids slashing tires. Here is his testimony that he wrote software to rig an election for Republicans:
* Clint Testimony * (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs)
ODDLY ENOUGH - not covered by the so-called Liberal Press?? Still trust these machines?
One more thing to think about whether the next election will be hacked...
* Diebold Security Analysis * (http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=17;t=135286;)
K8MHZ
10-18-2006, 01:33 PM
Here's more....
It seems that common keys like the ones used for hotel mini-bars can open Diebold voting machines.
Diebold Article (http://www.correntewire.com/hotel_minibar_keys_open_diebold_voting_machines)
KA9VQF
10-18-2006, 02:03 PM
PEP
Quote[/b] ]
You are still way off on your understanding of the Electoral College if you think the popular vote should have elected the president, or are upset that it did not. You also lack understanding of US history and our form of government
Please, explain to me using small words that someone who is as unintelligent as I am can easily understand, why there is a popular vote in the first place then.
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The statement you made about the Supreme Court decision was not only off in when it was, but what it was. Plus if you go back and look at the recounts done by the papers after the election just to see who would have one had the court ruled the other way....the outcome would have been the same even had the dems had thier way.
“Who would have one…” ?? Perhaps you meant won
Also my spell checker didn’t like your abbreviation of dems and the spelling of their.
I told you I might just be looking.
Admittedly it has been some time since I read up on the electoral college. But it made sense to me when I did read about it.
I understand why they needed the electoral college in the 1700’s, it took a really long time to travel across country back then. There was no mass communication. Telephones did not exist.
Things have changed a bit since then.
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You are still way off on your understanding of the Electoral College if you think the popular vote should have elected the president, or are upset that it did not. You also lack understanding of US history and our form of government
Please, explain to me using small words that someone who is as unintelligent as I am can easily understand, why there is a popular vote in the first place then.
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The statement you made about the Supreme Court decision was not only off in when it was, but what it was. Plus if you go back and look at the recounts done by the papers after the election just to see who would have one had the court ruled the other way....the outcome would have been the same even had the dems had thier way.
“Who would have one…” ?? #Perhaps you meant won
Also my spell checker didn’t like your abbreviation of dems and the spelling of their.
I told you I might just be looking.
Admittedly it has been some time since I read up on the electoral college. But it made sense to me when I did read about it.
I understand why they needed the electoral college in the 1700’s, it took a really long time to travel across country back then. There was no mass communication. Telephones did not exist. #
Things have changed a bit since then.
Well to start the only reason we tabulate a nationwide popular vote is that the media likes to do so. In fact there is no official tabulation of it, it is only done by the media and pundits.
Why does it exist? It exists in great part to the same reason we have different ways of determining representation in the House of Representatives and the Senate. In the Senate all states have equal representation, in the House it is divided by population, so dense urban states have more representation.
Why did they do that? The original 13 colonies had some that had dense (for the time) urban areas, and some that were mostly rural. Each did not want the other over represented, had we gone only by state the rural areas would have had a greater voice, had we gone only by population the urban areas would control everything and the interests of rural states would not be heard.
Just like our Congress, the Electoral College is designed to ensure that the President is neither elected solely from the interests of the rural states or the urban areas. If it did not exist the east coast from DC north, Chicago and California would pretty elect our presidents, and the smaller states would never even get looked at or listened to. It was never designed to reflect the "popular vote".
Thats my 2 minute rundown without doing any research, but you get the basics.
KA9VQF
10-18-2006, 02:49 PM
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Well to start the only reason we tabulate a nationwide popular vote is that the media likes to do so. In fact there is no official tabulation of it, it is only done by the media and pundits.
That was my original point your personal ‘popular’ vote has never counted, yet politicians are always telling us our vote does count and we should make every effort to go out to the polls and vote.
Why?
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Why not?
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KA9VQF
10-19-2006, 01:47 PM
hehe you funny! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif