Just talked to a SHORTWAVE PIRATE

[KC9JIQ]

Wow, I never never would figure I would meet a pirate, lol.

I drove to the Hardware store for some plastic sheeting to winterize my trailer, anyhow a guy was being helped by those radioshack employees( http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ) getting a ground rod, I noticed his truck when I came into the store, he had this funky antenna, looks like a longer version of a scanner antenna with a reversed conical thingy just above the coil, and directly behind it a K40 CB antenna, I could not figure out what that antenna was for, nope he didn't have ham plates either! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

I overheard the conversation with the R.S. employee, this guy seemed talkative and whitty. So I saw him go to his truck in the parking lot I drove by and said, "hey what is that antenna?"
He said a K40, then "oh, that one is for Shrotwave"
I asked him was it any good being so short, and he said "I can talk to South America on shortwave, I am bi-lingual with spanish"

I now proceded to to ask him what radio he had(I assumed he was a licensed ham) He said he had a lincolin shortwave transmitter.

Then I asked "Do you have a callsign?"
He said no and said that airwaves shouldn't be owned by the goverment, it is silly. I keep talking, guys on the radio ask what my callsign is, and I tell them I don't have one, it silly to have a license just to talk."

"Nice talking to you" I said and drove off.

This conversation REALLY made me realize that licensing isn't what it's really cracked up to be, I know a ham that "freebands" and I was suprised at that.

I guess it really comes down to this, do you reconize the FCC's authority over the airwaves?(such as Jack gerritsein claim they don't have)

I NEVER would have thought I would meet a pirate, wow, and since he said shortwave, he probably means the 40meter band. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[WA5VQM]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Sep. 29 2006,13:31)]I guess it really comes down to this, do you reconize the FCC's authority over the airwaves?
Yes.

[w8cbc]

If I didn't recognise the FCC's authority, I wouldn't have this callsign. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

BTW, I use the -wave designations from my lifelong SWL habit. Nuthin's wrong with the original terminology as far as I'm concerned.

[n2nh]

I'd never buck the FCCs authority. That's why I got my CB license, my First Phone (now GROL) and Extry. I may listen to pirates, but I don't work them. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[N0WVA]

I recognize the need for organization of the airwaves. However, the pirate was right about the government should not be allowed to own them.

If I wanted to own and operate a television or radio station, I should have the right to do that without being burdened by unreasonable fees, ect.

[N3ATS]

Lincoln shortwave radio = Lincoln 10 Meter Radio
Shortwave = 27.555 MHz

This dude is just a dime-a-dozen Hispanic freebander.

[w8cbc]

As I see it, the function of the FCC and other national regulators was to keep the public resource that is RF spectrum from becoming utter chaos. Fees and such are obviously justified in defraying the costs of doing the job. When it comes to broadcast, there are many more who want to broadcast than can fit in the available spectrum. So the number of licences is limited. In my opinion, by the way, the number is not limited enough. Docket 80-90 resulted in an unmitigated mash in FM broadcast in many places. But anyway. This is why radio broadcast stations are so damn' expensive. Demand far outstrips supply.

Where I object is to said regulators auctioning off a substantial part of this public resource for the exclusive nationwide use of some private concern.

[N2RJ]

There will always be people who don't care about the laws.

[AA0CX]

Quote[/b] (WA5VQM @ Sep. 29 2006,13:49)]Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Sep. 29 2006,13:31)]I guess it really comes down to this, do you reconize the FCC's authority over the airwaves?
Yes.
You find the same people out there who believe that it's perfectly okay to operate a vehicle without a drivers license, because driving is a "right, not a privilege." You'll probably find a lot of THEM freeband, too. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (AA0CX @ Sep. 29 2006,17:24)]Quote[/b] (WA5VQM @ Sep. 29 2006,13:49)]Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Sep. 29 2006,13:31)]I guess it really comes down to this, do you reconize the FCC's authority over the airwaves?
Yes.
You find the same people out there who believe that it's perfectly okay to operate a vehicle without a drivers license, because driving is a "right, not a privilege." #You'll probably find a lot of THEM freeband, too. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
One of the guys I work with, I've known for most of my life, and I know that he hasn't held a valid drivers license since at least 1991. He drives in to work every morning.

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Sep. 29 2006,13:31)]I guess it really comes down to this, do you reconize the FCC's authority over the airwaves?
No. Flame on http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W0LPQ]

As one who brags about using illegal frequencies and such, this does not surprise many of us.

Bill, W0LPQ

[w8cbc]

Consider, 'LPQ, that Canada is outside FCC jurisdiction.

Industry Canada apparently needs to grow a set though.
VE7KFM, anyone?

[WA9SVD]

Well, seeing as he (VE7NOT) is a Cannuck, the FCC's authority means diddly to him. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Now, Radio Canada, (or whatever government entity of our neighbor to the North has authority) may have different opinions than our friend. But the FCC means nothing to him in terms of regulatory powers.

[W0LPQ]

CBC I am very much aware of where he is. He has stated on numerous postings as to his illegal activities. Granted the FCC could care less ... but as you said Industy Canada needs to grow some..!

With all the things he has said about what he does and where, if it were in the USA I would imagine he would have been visited by the Friends of Riley already.

I really just shake my head when his posts hit the forums. Makes one wonder why people do not respect any form of authority or laws.

Oh well, to each his own. My license means too much to me.

Bill, W0LPQ

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (W0LPQ @ Sep. 29 2006,16:38)]CBC I am very much aware of where he is. He has stated on numerous postings as to his illegal activities.


Bill, W0LPQ
I have stated I USED to freeband. I have stated I USED to be on 4MHz. I have stated I USED to be on 37MHz.

Not sure how I have stated speciffically here that i'm illegally using the radio nowadays.

IF i was though most have a point. Industry Canada doesn't regulate the airwaves. Even our 'bandplan' is a gentleman's agreement.

What you think 'RAC' is the government here? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif I'm not paying money to them for magazines http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

As for VE7KFM I would like to know where he got his licence? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif He seems scared of the FCC for some reason.

[N2RJ]

Karol is not scared of the FCC. He is just pissed off at them because his buddy K1MAN got the smackdown and also quite a few US licensees QRM his broadcasts on a daily basis and the "fa**ot communications commission" as he calls it seems to do nothing about it.

What I found funny was that this evening he claimed to be using 2300 watts with "plenty more where that came from." That's funny because the Canadian limit is 2250, so that means he is 50w outside of the limit and proudly boasting about it on air, meaning that he doesn't give a hoot about industry Canada or the Government.

[WA9SVD]

Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ Sep. 29 2006,16:48)]Quote[/b] (W0LPQ @ Sep. 29 2006,16:38)]CBC I am very much aware of where he is. He has stated on numerous postings as to his illegal activities.


Bill, W0LPQ
I have stated I USED to freeband. I have stated I USED to be on 4MHz. I have stated I USED to be on 37MHz.

Not sure how I have stated speciffically here that i'm illegally using the radio nowadays.

IF i was though most have a point. Industry Canada doesn't regulate the airwaves. Even our 'bandplan' is a gentleman's agreement.

What you think 'RAC' is the government here? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif I'm not paying money to them for magazines http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

As for VE7KFM I would like to know where he got his licence? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif He seems scared of the FCC for some reason.
Just out of curiosity, what is the "statute of limitations" in Canada?

[N9OGL]

He was a Free bander, not a real shortwave pirate.

Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 MHz. LSB

[n8yx]

Arrrr....there be real pirates in the waters now, maties...

[w8znx]

Quote[/b] (N9OGL @ Sep. 30 2006,08:22)]He was a Free bander, not a real shortwave pirate.

Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 MHz. LSB

yes there is a diffrence

but

todd
it's just as illicit
only a fool would risk their ham tic
to play pirate broadcaster

also ssb ham transceiver
makes for a rotten broadcast station
too many well made older receivers
like Zenith Transocanic, Philco, GE
with short wave bands
and cheap modern portables
can not copy ssb

free banders talk to each other
pretend that they are real ham radio ops

short wave pirates, pretend to be broadcasters

operate on short wave broadcast bands
try to put on radio shows
most often juvenile, sometimes good

pirate broadcasters
usualy get on during holidays
like Christmas, New Year's Eve, 4 th of July

best stations usualy run old
100 watt AM ham transmitters
like Heathkit DX-100 or Johnson Viking II
one pirate ran a Globe King 400 for a few
years till they were caught

the FCC seems
to put more time and effort
in to catching Pirate Broadcasters
than catching free banders

there are also
AM and FM Broadcast Band pirate broadcasters
few years ago
there was a FM pirate
here in Detroit
they put on some good broadcasting
ran about 75 watts mono
to a good antenna

well thought out operation
lasted about a year
till too many people
found out
Nothing like a article in
Detroit Free Press
to wake up the local FCC office

the FCC came around
told them to shut down or go to jail
they shut down

Mac

[K0CRX]

You have met another scofflaw, antisocial ass. The very kind that is causing the worldwide degradation of society. Sadly, it takes only one of these jerks to undo the goodwill exhibited by many upstanding citizens. He should be incarcerated with the rest of his kind.

[w8cbc]

Mac - I knew a guy who ran an ad-hoc pirate FM in Indiana with a cast-off broadcast exciter and a full processing chain. He was an air talent here and did it in his spare time. I presumed he knew the risks.

That sort of thing is not for me. It's too much like work.

[KC9JIQ]

Quote[/b] (N9OGL @ Sep. 30 2006,08:22)]He was a Free bander, not a real shortwave pirate.

Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 MHz. LSB
Hey I am in Illinois, tried to tune in several times, nothing.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[KC9JIQ]

BTW N9OGL have you heard of this group:

http://www.alfalima.net/phpbb/index.php

[w8cbc]

Why are those dingdongs broadcasting in the marine band?
Can't they go "low" (under 5900) instead of "high" (over 6200)?

If I were on a ship in trouble and the 6215kc calling frequency was the only one working, I'd bloody well want someone able to hear me.

Grmmph.

[ab9lz]

Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Sep. 30 2006,08:36)]Arrrr....there be real pirates in the waters now, maties...
Been readin slashdot lately eh?

Let me be the first to welcome our pirate freebandin overloards... Arrr!

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Sep. 30 2006,13:05)]Quote[/b] (N9OGL @ Sep. 30 2006,08:22)]He was a Free bander, not a real shortwave pirate.

Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 MHz. LSB
Hey I am in Illinois, tried to tune in several times, nothing.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Nothing heard there either but I will check by from time to time

[N4AUD]

I am a law-abiding citizen and when the day comes that I can't obey the law, it would be time for me to leave or join a revolution. Some things have to be regulated to prevent chaos, for safety or other reasons. Just because you don't agree with a particular law doesn't mean you can disobey it unless you are willing to pay the penalty when you get prosecuted.

I don't like scofflaws and criminals, period.

[N9OGL]

Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Sep. 30 2006,10:07)]Quote[/b] (N9OGL @ Sep. 30 2006,08:22)]He was a Free bander, not a real shortwave pirate.

Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 MHz. LSB

yes there is a diffrence

but

todd
it's just as illicit
only a fool would risk their ham tic
to play pirate broadcaster

also ssb ham transceiver
makes for a rotten broadcast station
too many well made older receivers
like Zenith Transocanic, Philco, GE
with short wave bands
and cheap modern portables
can not copy ssb

free banders talk to each other
pretend that they are real ham radio ops

short wave pirates, pretend to be broadcasters

operate on short wave broadcast bands
try to put on radio shows
most often juvenile, sometimes good

pirate broadcasters
usualy get on during holidays
like Christmas, New Year's Eve, 4 th of July

best stations usualy run old
100 watt AM ham transmitters
like Heathkit DX-100 or Johnson Viking II
one pirate ran a Globe King 400 for a few
years till they were caught

the FCC seems
to put more time and effort
in to catching Pirate Broadcasters
than catching free banders

there are also
AM and FM Broadcast Band pirate broadcasters
few years ago
there was a FM pirate
here in Detroit
they put on some good broadcasting
ran about 75 watts mono
to a good antenna

well thought out operation
lasted about a year
till too many people
found out
Nothing like a article in
Detroit Free Press
to wake up the local FCC office

the FCC came around
told them to shut down or go to jail
they shut down

Mac
In the case of me however I applied many times for a broadcast license with waivers and the FCC didn't even consider them. the reason they didn't consider them according to the letter I recieved from the FCC is that they weren't filed during a filing window. The problem is waivers can filed at anytime (47 CFR 1.3) and the federal courts has also ruled many times that the FCC MUST consider waiver regardless if they were filed in a filing window or not.(See Wait Radio v FCC 1969, See Turro V FCC 1988, See Merdith V FCC 1989 See Dunifer v FCC) So I really doubt the FCC will do anything to me, because they would want to explain themselves in front of a judge on why a person applied seven times for a license with waivers and they didn't even consider them.

We are in the process of buying a AM transmitter, the reason we use Sideband is because it doesn't take as much power to run. unlike AM which has a carrier which can be detected really easy SSB runs on the audio so when there is no audio, there is no power.

Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 MHz LSB

[N9OGL]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Sep. 30 2006,13:05)]Quote[/b] (N9OGL @ Sep. 30 2006,08:22)]He was a Free bander, not a real shortwave pirate.

Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 MHz. LSB
Hey I am in Illinois, tried to tune in several times, nothing.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Were installing a new transmitter and should be back up and running sometime this week, the band conditions have also been very bad too.

Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 LSB

[N9OGL]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Sep. 30 2006,13:34)]BTW N9OGL have you heard of this group:

http://www.alfalima.net/phpbb/index.php
Yeah I have...along with

http://www.frn.net

which is were I do a lot of posting on the station

[n8yx]

Did I read your proposed power levels correctly?

500W to 20kW ??!!??

[N0WVA]

Quote[/b] (N9OGL @ Sep. 30 2006,08:22)]He was a Free bander, not a real shortwave pirate.

Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 MHz. LSB
Man, you put your license up for grabs to do pirating?

Only when Ham radio is shut down. Then its on....

[N9OGL]

Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Oct. 02 2006,18:46)]Did I read your proposed power levels correctly?

500W to 20kW ??!!??
that is correct, we plan to run either 500 watts or 20 kw we haven't decied yet...right now we are running 15 watts on the FM broadcast band on 88.3 MHz

Todd N9OGL

[N9OGL]

Quote[/b] (N0WVA @ Oct. 02 2006,18:58)]Quote[/b] (N9OGL @ Sep. 30 2006,08:22)]He was a Free bander, not a real shortwave pirate.

Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 MHz. LSB
Man, you put your license up for grabs to do pirating?

Only when Ham radio is shut down. Then its on....
My view is this, I applied seven times for a license with waivers, and each time I applied the FCC sent my applications and waivers back without considering them. (see pervious post by me) So why should I continue to apply for a license if the FCC isn't going to consider it or my waivers (as stated in my pervious post the Courts has stated that the FCC MUST Consider waivers) and Why should I waste the time and money,(Broadcast licenses aren't cheap) for something the FCC isn't going to consider??

Todd N9OGL

[kb2vxa]

Sounds like Tommy Tune is playing like Humpty Dumpty. BTW, if propagation is so bad why is the 20M ham band just up the block so good? I'm sitting here listening to 13.556 and it sounds like an intermittent bubbly fart with a chirp to it. Is that you testing your new transmitter?

Hey, if WRNI can go legal as WBCQ and you're not even considered, does it mean you're not a big enough Weiner? Take Johnny Lightning's advice and CUT THE CRAP, maybe he'll broker you some time on 11RNI >IF< you're really nice to him and don't make fun of Brooklyn.

The preceeding pubic slimage message was brought to you by an ex radio pirate and renegade CBer who found a better life in the wonderful world of very legal Amateur Radio. Why? Because the FCC Field Engineer (and ham) who busted us suggested it 15 years earlier, in fact the entire engineering crew and air staph are now hams. We found it's better when the radio talks back and that knock on the door isn't the law or some pissed off CBers.

[N2RJ]

When you are applying to even be considered for a broadcast license, there is a lot of red tape to cut through. #

You also cannot (legally) broadcast to a US audience on shortwave and the FCC is not issuing any new broadcast licenses for AM or FM.

But anyway, when omega one radio makes enough noise to get noticed by the FCC, he'll end up in the enforcement logs right up there with K1MAN and others. Just watch.

[w8znx]

Quote[/b] (N9OGL @ Oct. 02 2006,10:04)]We are in the process of buying a AM transmitter, the reason we use Sideband is because it doesn't take as much power to run. unlike AM which has a carrier which can be detected really easy SSB runs on the audio so when there is no audio, there is no power.

Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 MHz LSB
the FCC can RDF SSB just as easy as AM

no matter what your excuse

it's still aganst the law
you risk losing your ham tic

which means you don't care about
your ham license

which means you don't care
about ham radio

most here love ham radio
would do nothing
to risk Amateur License
which we hold so dear

want to put on a short wave program
buy air time on WBCQ
its realy not expensive
full 50 kw

costs less than attorneys fees

Mac

[KC9HZJ]

A thought for those who think the government shouldn't "own" the airwaves...

First, they don't own them. They regulate them. If they owned them, they would be for sale and I would've won that bid for 50.125MHz. Give me a break. LOL

Second, if you look on the commercial side of things, without regulation, CBS, FOX, NBC, and ABC in your area might all decide that they'd like to broadcast on channel 7. Might happen without regulation. Yeah, that's a great idea. As if the reception doesn't suck as it is.... and that's with only one signal on the channel.

I'm all for the government charging me a license fee and keeping track of who's on the airwaves. Generally, I am anti -government when it comes to screwing with natural resources, but when it comes to an ever-growing, popular medium such as spectrum... I am 100% for regulation.

As far as your freebanding, illegal operators are concerned.... string them up by the cajones and beat them with their reverb mics and leeen-yarrrs.

My $0.02

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (KC9HZJ @ Oct. 03 2006,17:53)]A thought for those who think the government shouldn't "own" the airwaves...

First, they don't own them. They regulate them. If they owned them, they would be for sale
They are for sale. Ever hear of spectrum auctions?

The spectrum auction is ultimately a hidden federal tax that everyone ends up sharing. The companies that win bids on spectrum pay the government astronomical sums for the frequencies they "buy" from the FCC, even though it is justifiable that the government be paid only to reimburse the expenses incurred in their lawful function of regulating the radio spectrum.

The companies that pay these huge sums for spectrum pass the expense down to their customers, who in turn pass it down to theirs, until it ultimately trickles down to all of us, the individual consumer, in the form of slightly higher prices for everything, since business and industry at every level uses telecommunication services in their daily operations.

[w8cbc]

These companies are willing to shell out the money for exclusive, "private" spectrum instead of sharing the business bands with everyone else. It is their decision to do so. This "hidden tax" is thus brought to you by the corporate board, not the FCC.

I object to spectrum auctioneering on the grounds that the RF spectrum is a public resource. Selling exclusive rights to substantial parts of it to private entities goes dead-on against its long-established common nature.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]One of the guys I work with, I've known for most of my life, and I know that he hasn't held a valid drivers license since at least 1991. He drives in to work every morning.
I wonder if his insurance agency knows that.

[w8cbc]

Do you really imagine the guy pays insurance? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Oct. 05 2006,11:33)]Quote[/b] ]One of the guys I work with, I've known for most of my life, and I know that he hasn't held a valid drivers license since at least 1991. He drives in to work every morning.
I wonder if his insurance agency knows that.
I wonder if he's ever been pulled over, too.

I can't imagine driving without a license. It would mean I'd have to be careful to obey the speed limit and all of those other traffic laws or risk going to jail for driving without a license!

[K8AG]

Quote[/b] (WA5VQM @ Sep. 29 2006,13:49)]Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Sep. 29 2006,13:31)]I guess it really comes down to this, do you reconize the FCC's authority over the airwaves?
Yes.
Does the FCC recognize its own authority? Used to be they would find trespassers and string em up (figuratively speaking). Now its a big deal when they enforce blatant violators.

As long as the FCC doesn't significantly enforce their authority, they essentially have none. These guys know it.

My 2 cents.

73, JP, K8AG

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Oct. 03 2006,14:00)]no matter what your excuse

it's still aganst the law
you risk losing your ham tic

which means you don't care about
your ham license

which means you don't care
about ham radio
Don't even bother, mac.

http://host.picturewizard.com/2005-7/357648/

[w8cbc]

'MH - thanks for the link.

Here's one for N9OGL:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.dvguru.com/media/2006/10/dvdrewinderdevice.jpg

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

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