Rosey tell part of the truth - that is not so Rosy

[W2ILP]

On a network TV show Rosie O'Donnel spoke what I believe is partially true and it shocked the otherwise gag mouthed media puppets.

Rosie said that 9/11 was caused by Muslim fundamentalists that killed innocent people AND that the US attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq were caused by CHRISTIAN fundamentalists who killed innocent people.

Rosie is a Commack native and Commack is my QTH as well. #We can understand that Rosie is a Lesbian and has no respect for the Christian fundamentalists who have no #respect for her life style but this has nothing to do with the subject that shocked the media.

I agree with Rosie that we are fighting a RELIGIOUS WAR, which all deny who call it a war on TERRORISM or a war on the "Axis of Evil" or any other name that realy defines nothing.

Rosie is right when she says that the U.S. killed innocent people in Iraq...but I disagree about killing people in Afghanistan. #Clinton had even bombed Afghanistan because it was believed to be the training ground for Muslim extremists and probably the place where Osama bin Laden was believed to be. #Bin Laden claimed to have caused 9/11 himself, which more than justifies sending US troops to Afghanistan. #True there have been innocent people killed there ...some by military errors but the US involvement there was in my opinion justified....religious war or not.

I agree when Rosie says it is a RELIGIOUS WAR...but she mentions only the US Fundamentalist Christians. #How about the US Jewish lobby that will support anything that they stupidly believe is in the interest of Israel? #This is avoided even though Jews (especially many Israeli Jews and Zionists) are to blame for US policies in the middle eastern RELIGIOUS WAR. This includes always supporting Israel more than its Muslim neighbors. #Now I know that Rosey has lots of Jewish friends who would be offended by her analysis if she had mentioned that Jews killed innocent people in Lebanon for example...however I give her a lot of credit for calling the audience (which cheered her in the studio) to the realistic understanding that we are certainly involved in religious warfare where religious people of all major faiths don't act as hamanists in that they kill innocent people of other faiths without any sympathy because they believe that they are doing Gods work.

w2ilp (I Like Peace)...and freedom from religions and the wars that religious extremism have caused and continue to cause.

[KF0RT]

it's O'Donnell, not O'Donald. She's a left-wing extremist twit. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif IMHO, of course.

73, Rob

[al2n]

Here we go again.

Take a comment made by someone and you twist it around to include Jews and Israel.

Somehow I knew I was going to read that before I even clicked on the thread.

[W2ILP]

kf0rt

Thanks for your spelling correction which I edited. #I saw a video clip of the show where Rosie made her opinion known and it was in my opinion a great breakthrough...not because I can entirely believe her opinion but because she dared to say what she believes ...even though other people will not speak about the hypocracy of religions that support killing innocent people in the name of their God. #In that respect extremist Muslims, Jews and Christians can share the blame for the turmoil that is now transpiring worldwoide. # This is not only my opinion. #It it the opinion of Sam Harris who wrote a book called "The End of Faith" after 9/11. #Nobody has accused Sam Harris of being a leftist. #I get upset when anyone labels an opinion as being leftist or pinko or ultra liberal or any other term that sounds derrogatory, without considering the truth. #Rosie is now quite wealthy and probably more of a Republican than a liberal...except she is for gun control and for same sex unions and for separation of church and state...otherwise she is a right winger, by most definitions.

BTW, I am not a Rosie fan. #She has no talent other than being a big mouth and she has in my opinion a lot of nerve and a big head of ego...but I am glad to see someone on TV that can call the present day war a RELIGIOUS WAR indstead of resorting to undefined adjectives or prepositions rather than definitions.

IMHO, of course.

w2ilp (I Like People)...who speak what they believe, as I do,....even though I am not always correct nor are they....after all I am not God...neither is Rosie or any TV or movie star...and I don't want to start a religious war myself (or unnecessarily add to the existing one) nor overthroiugh our otherwise great nation.

[W2ILP]

al2n...Yep...It must be true...because you knew it too.

Religious extremism that fosters hate for those of other extreme religions can not be ignored. #Anyone who blames extremist Muslims and Christians for a religious war in the middle east can certainly find room to include the Zionist Jews who believe religiously that God gave that land to them and to them only! # I can not forget that unlike some rationalizers...I don't say that I have Jewish friends...I admit that I am a Jew by Hitlers definition and I have lots of Jewish relatives.
Perhaps it is because I am an Atheist Humanist...I can think objectively and call a war by its proper name....at least before it may become WWIII.

w2ilp (I Like People)...who do not fear to speak the truth because they are afraid of offending the religious quacks who control the US policies more than the governments of Europe are so controlled #Indeed Catholic nations are not only governed by a forgiving Pope but by sane seculasr policies which we fail to understand. # The Pope (IMHO a man of peace) can be more logical than Christian extremists and fundamentalists or the Bible belt buffalos who want to tell us who are supposed to be evil doers by using creptic terms that belong in comic books or fairy tales of booggie men.

[AC0H]

Why does anybody listen to these people?
Just because your on a TV show or in a movie doesn't make that person qualified to make pronouncements and have it given any more weight than anybody elses opinion.

Most of the time the hollywood opinion maker can't find their butts with their hands and are lucky to have graduated highschool.

Why do we place any importance on these people's opinion?

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Sep. 14 2006,11:10)]Rosie is now quite wealthy and probably more of a Republican than a liberal...except she is for gun control and for same sex unions and for separation of church and state...otherwise she is a right winger, by most definitions.
Isn't that about half the platform?

To be honest, the once or twice I've seen her on TV, my tolerance was all of about two minutes before I had to switch channels.

If it weren't for religion, would we be in this war? Very doubtful, but I always took that to be so obvious that it didn't need to be stated.

Two L's, not one.

73, Rob

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Sep. 14 2006,11:36)]Why do we place any importance on these people's opinion?
Why? Because they're rich, that's why. Follow the American sawbuck. It's all that matters any more.

73, Rob

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Rosie is now quite wealthy and probably more of a Republican than a liberal...except she is for gun control and for same sex unions and for separation of church and state...otherwise she is a right winger, by most definitions.
Stereotypical Hoo-Haw!
So if your rich you're by default republican?
Some of the richest people on this planet are card carrying liberals and BIG democrat supporters. I'm quite sure Mr. Spielberg is better off financially than Ms. O'Donnel, and that he hasn't been a registered republican, EVER! Same for Mr. Gates.

[W2ILP]

kf0rt

I think that I understand how you feel and I respect you for trying to not blame religions verbally although you understand that the war is at least partly motivated by religious differences and those in power use these differences to motivate the martyrs as weell as the soldiers who fight the war (including unfortunately our own voluntary military).

w2ilp (Iterated Llama Pairs)
Many people feal it is OK to debate politically...but have been conditioned by common curtesy not to debate about religion. #In truth there is no logical debate when it comes too one's individual faith in God or lack of same....but when fundamentalist extremists use their Biblical interpretations to motivate the killing of innocent people we must IMHO put our well intentionedc conditioned curtesies aside and call it like it really is.

Two "ll"s mayonly belong to llamas (the animals)...not lamas (the religious ones) . #I donn't like the two iis ....when they say an i for an i...without allowing for the religiously insane.

[ac4ut]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Sep. 14 2006,10:36)]Why does anybody listen to these people?
Just because your on a TV show or in a movie doesn't make that person qualified to make pronouncements and have it given any more weight than anybody elses opinion.

Most of the time the hollywood opinion maker can't find their butts with their hands and are lucky to have graduated highschool.

Why do we place any importance on these people's opinion?
Please leave me out of the "we" category. There is no "we' in I don't give flying rats butt what a celebrity thinks.
I know that makes no sense but you get my point.

[al2n]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Sep. 14 2006,10:46)]kf0rt

I think that I understand how you feel and I respect you for trying to not blame religions verbally although you understand that the war is at least partly motivated by religious differences and those in power use these differences to motivate the martyrs as weell as the soldiers who fight the war (including unfortunately our own voluntary military).

Many people feal it is OK to debate politically...but hae been conditioned by common curtesy not to debate religiously. In truth there is no logical debate when it comes too one's individual faith in God or lack of same....but when fundamentalist extremists use their Biblical interpretations to motivate the killing of innocent people we must IMHO put or conditioned curtesies aside and call it like it really is.

Two lls only belong to llamas. I donn't like the two iis ....when they say an i for an i...without allowing for the religiously insane.
Let me check my Bible again......


Hmmmmm.....Where was that passage where Jesus told us to kill those who do not accept him?

It has to be here somewhere......

Tell them about Jesus- Nah, that is not it.

Pray for them- no that is not it.

Leave them alone if they reject Jesus- Nope. Not it either.

Where is that order to go to war?.......

[W2ILP]

I dunno if the N.T. says that Jesus said to kill anone...BUT the crusaders sure killed a lot of people (mainly Moors and Arabs) just seeking the grail that Jesus was supposed to have drunk his Kosher Passover wine from. #I don't say that Jesus or any of his early Christian followers were killing innocent people...but I like Rosie say that Christian Fundamentalists have sided with Jewish Zionists in interpreting the phrophesies of the Old plus the New Testaments. #In truth Christianity spread at the fall of Rome because the Romans wanted to convert to a religion of peace and forgiveness. I actually belive that many Catholics of the present day do not agree with the opinions of the Far Right Protestent Fundamentalists....nor does the Pope.

w2ilp (Intollerant Loyal Pilgrams)...killed Indians who weren't easily converted to Christianity for Christ's sake and hung witches who were innocent old ladies because they believed them to be anti-Christ. #They made these decisions not based on Biblical phrophesies but on folk lore that arrose from preachers who didn't read their Bibles properly and could not define who God considered to be their fellow men or worthy of human life.

[W2ILP]

In my opinion it is not the source of words or ideas that impresses me...for, as I said I don't care much for Rosie as an entertainer...but it is the WORDS. #It has been said that out of the mouths of babes comes words of truth. #We all know that it was a child who was the first to say that the Emperor was naked. #What Rosie said is the same as what that child said...because our govenment thinks that it is wearing an invisible mantle of religious certitude that can define evil...while it refuses to say it has officially involved itself with Islamic and Zionist RELIGIOUS WAR, taking the Zionist part because it is most consistant with what is believed by Christian fundamentalists to be Biblically correct...or true to Biblical prophesies. # If is true that the religious Christians agree with the certitude of the RELIGIOUS RIGHT WING then maybe this is the public relationship that our government wants...but it is sheer hypocracy. I do not believe that most Christians agree with the extremists and their Fundamentalist interpretations....but I fear that the extremist views have been used to promote present policies.

w2ilp (Impeach Lying President)...who dares to include all Americans of all faiths in a war against "evil" without knowing or stating what or who evil is himself....and uses his own misinterpretation of his religion to boost his further ignorance propelled by a minority of Christian Fundamentalists (who I admit do not represent the majority of Christian Americans) . #GWB's responsibility is to protect the security of the people of the USA by properly recognizing its true enemies and not to tell grim fairy tales.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Sep. 14 2006,11:46)]kf0rt

I think that I understand how you feel and I respect you for trying to not blame religions verbally although you understand that the war is at least partly motivated by religious differences and those in power use these differences to motivate the martyrs as weell as the soldiers who fight the war (including unfortunately our own voluntary military).

w2ilp (Iterated Llama Pairs)
Many people feal it is OK to debate politically...but have been conditioned by common curtesy not to debate about religion. In truth there is no logical debate when it comes too one's individual faith in God or lack of same....but when fundamentalist extremists use their Biblical interpretations to motivate the killing of innocent people we must IMHO put our well intentionedc conditioned curtesies aside and call it like it really is.

Two "ll"s mayonly belong to llamas (the animals)...not lamas (the religious ones) . I donn't like the two iis ....when they say an i for an i...without allowing for the religiously insane.
Oh, I have no problem with it. I tend not to get involved much in the political / religious stuff here these days because it became a lot like beating my head against the wall -- only feels good when you stop. It has nothing to do with my religious beliefs or ability to express them. Those who are into it, rave on... I do enjoy the reading.

Oh, the two L's comment was referring to Rosie O'Donnell. She may be right on occasion, but that affects her twit factor by exactly zero. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Rob

[KI4PEQ]

Rosie O'Donnell...there is a real piece of work.

She is for "gun control" but you better not get too close to her or her adopted children, that ARMED bodyguard she has around her 24/7 will get up close and personal.

I will say this about Rosie, though. She and I have the same sexual appetite...we both like (the five letter word beginning with "P" that is also another name for a domestic cat). http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K1OU]

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Sep. 14 2006,14:33)]I will say this about Rosie, though. She and I have the same sexual appetite...we both like (the five letter word beginning with "P" that is also another name for a domestic cat). http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?? I don't understand.....

[W2ILP]

KI4PEQ....Here we were talking about religions and politics and you had to start in with sex.
Isn't anything sacred enough to take on one at a time? # And then k1OU doesn't get it. #I won't bother to guess why he appears so innocent.

w2ilp (I Like Poetry)...and... I love little pussy her coat is so warm and if I don't hurt her she'll do me no harm; so I'll not pull her tail or drive her away, but pussy and I very gently shall play... #I wonder if Robert Louis Stevenson could write that today without being accused of being ungodly by prudes puritans and pilgrams who can not define evil, terrorism, or pussies without getting them wrong. # After all being gentle is not the proper style for macho America.

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Sep. 14 2006,10:00)]Here we go again.

Take a comment made by someone and you twist it around to include Jews and Israel.

Somehow I knew I was going to read that before I even clicked on the thread.
LOL! Yep, that's ILP. He just can't help himself. There are several blue-ribbon commissions throughout the country trying to analyze exactly what his beef is.

And, BTW -- I agree with him 100% of the time when he is not on his Jew/Israel kick.

K6BBC

[kf6rdn]

Good god, did that twit get itself another TV show? What moron put it on this time?
(Sorry, I had no interest in what she has to say so didn't read the original beyond she spoke...)

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Good god, did that twit get itself another TV show? #What moron put it on this time?

She replaced Star Jones on Bra Burners-R-Us....er....The View. I think Ba-wa Wa-wa is going to rue the day.

[w5klb]

I remember when Rosie had her own show. One day she had Tom Selleck as a "guest" and started hammering him on guns. Mr. Selleck is a firm believer in our 2nd
Amendment. Talk about being "ambushed"... wow! I believe it was after this show that Rosie started loosing sponsors and viewers. Don't worry, after the expulsion Star Jones on "The (P)iew", this is just one more nail to hammer into its coffin. It will soon get to a point where to only thing left to is shovel in the dirt.

Hmmm… I wonder how many “Christian Extremists” Rosie can name? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[al2n]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Sep. 15 2006,06:15)]Hmmm… I wonder how many “Christian Extremists” Rosie can name? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I would like to know how many Christian Fundie Extremists have flown jets into skyscrapers, blew up markets full of women and children, bombed chruches of other denominations, blown up trains, and other such acts.

I am hard pressed to think of any.

Can you?

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Sep. 15 2006,11:32)]Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Sep. 15 2006,06:15)]Hmmm… I wonder how many “Christian Extremists” Rosie can name? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I would like to know how many Christian Fundie Extremists have flown jets into skyscrapers, blew up markets full of women and children, bombed chruches of other denominations, blown up trains, and other such acts.

I am hard pressed to think of any.

Can you?
Abortion clinics...?

73, Rob

[K5UOS]

"I am hard pressed to think of any. Can you?"

Timothy McVeigh?

Warren Jeffs? Child abuse is violent.

dk

[al2n]

Was McVeigh or the clinic bomber affiliated with a church?

I don't remember them belonging to a denomination that called for a holy war on the unbeliever.

I thought they were wack jobs who kinda made stuff to suit their agenda.

[W4BCR]

Rosie is an insulated lesbian facist neodem who doesn't know jack. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (K5UOS @ Sep. 15 2006,11:52)]"I am hard pressed to think of any. Can you?"

Timothy McVeigh?

Warren Jeffs? Child abuse is violent.

dk
Warren Jeffs is an extremist, but hardly a Christian. I guess it depends on how wide you want to define "Christian" though... Even the mainstream Mormons want nothing to do with him.

73, Rob

[K0RGR]

Warren Jeffs and those loonies in Kansas that shout filth at funerals for our dead soldiers because they believe that America is being punished by God due to homosexuality are both as much Christians as Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim.

Their beliefs are all perversions of true faith.

Even most major religions said that Afghanistan was a 'just' war to go after Bin Laden. But, all of the major religions except the Southern Baptists condemned the invasion of Iraq.

The Pope himself declared it an unjust war.

Afghanistan was invaded by a "sleeping giant" who had just been awakend. Iraq was invaded by a president for reasons that only he knows.

What the Muslim extremists want is an all-out war between America and Islam. Today, I imagine Rosie's idiotic comments are being broadcast all over the Muslim world. They will further convince the world's Muslims that they are, indeed, at war with America.

All Americans need to be extremely careful about what they say. We are NOT at war with Islam. We have been attacked by Islamic radicals who use a perverted version of their faith to justify it. What we need the most is a heaping dose of humility. We need to face the fact that we can't just wipe these people off the planet, and that even suggesting the idea further inflames the situation.

Is there any truth to the story that Israeli gunboats recently opened fire on civiilians on the beaches in the Gaza Strip? The Palestinians say it is true and the Israelis apologized for firing on the beaches which were packed due to a holiday. The IDF acknowledged that at least 6 shells were fired, but now claim that evidence shows that it was not Isreali ordnance that killed the civilians. Uh, somehow, I don't find that argument satisfying. Let's get this straight - in order to make Israel look bad, when the Israelis started lobbing shells at the civiilians, the Palestinians blew up a mine?

[W2ILP]

Gentlemen and ladies....

We have now come to a time in history where nations including our own are throwing down their gauntlets. This is because all nations do not trust the others.

The Pope has blasted Islam for being a violent RELIGION...and the Muslims have demanded an apology.

In Havana, Cuba there is a conference going on that includes nations that GWB calls Empires of Evil. This Includes Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, and Syria. They are also demanding an apology. Since 9/11 most Americans may feel threatened by terrorism...but we must also realze that the nations meeting in Havana also feel threatened by US.

In my opinion there is now a possibility of peaceful negotiations, which are certainly needed to prevent nuclear war and/or the killing of many innocent people in many nations. It is because of modern communication that bad news and terrible threats spread quickly and modern communication may also be used to broker peace and mutual agreement without violent aggression.

Peace can only be acheived when there is MODERATION. It is almost imposible to negociate with FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS, MUSLIMS or JEWS...because each believes that they are governed by their God's laws, which they may interpret incorrectly. As I said before ...I like the Catholic Pope's interpretation of Christianity as a religion of forgiveness and peace (As Christ is to have believed in turning the other cheek)....but Christian FUNDAMENTRALISTS do not believe in peaceful coexistance with those who disagree with them. There are many such fundamentalist groups in every state of the US. If you haven't met any then you are not paying attention. Most of them voted twice for GWB because they like his policies and believe that he can lead the world to Armegeddon, which is nuclear destruction. These extremists say it is prophesized in the Bible so it must come to pass. They have thus influenced our government undully and prevented logical secular negotions that could reduce the tensions and fears of terrorism on all sides.

w2ilp ( I Like Peace)...We can't get there by continuing to call nations evil, instead of recognizing that religious extremists who have no respect for human life (even their own) are the cause of 9/11 and even the cause of Iraqis killing innocent Iraquis.

[W2ILP]

The thing that Rosie brought into the front was RELIGION. Others fear to mention religion because the majority of Americans do have religious "faith based family values"...but unfortunately inhumane revengeful hatred.

I talk about the dilema of ALL RELIGIONS...that may be improperly interpreted or used to train, program and condition people so that they can terrorize others in the brain-washed belief that they are doing so in the name of their God. I see no religions that in their extremist views are capable of consistant sincere acceptance of the rights of others to live in peace...and I see a continuation of revenge for those who do not believe that there can ever be any logical truce between their RELIGIOUS differences.

At the present time in history the Fundamentalists Christians have allied themself with Fundamentalist (Zionist) Israeli Jews and are against the extremist Muslims who have been responsible for 9/11, a terrorist attack on the US mainly because the Muslims correctly believe that the American Christians in general support Israel and deny Muslim nations of equal support.

Yes I will say this again and again...and as times goes on more people will be agreeing. I hope it will not be too late to get our government thinking on the terms as MODERATE CHRISTIANS, as well as ATHEISTS and think of the importance of stopping the killing of innocent people for the sake of making Biblical myths come true. The prophesy of world disaster is the kind of pessimism that leads to suicidal mania. It comes from religious hypnosis and the inability to separate, not just church from state, but the inability to separate religious certitude from sane rationality.

Was Timmothy McVeigh an Atheist?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Did he think he was doing Gods work?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

w2ilp (I Like Peace)...and so does Rosie.

[al2n]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Sep. 15 2006,17:27)]...but Christian FUNDAMENTRALISTS do not believe in peaceful coexistance with those who disagree with them. There are many such fundamentalist groups in every state of the US. If you haven't met any then you are not paying attention. Most of them voted twice for GWB because they like his policies and believe that he can lead the world to Armegeddon, which is nuclear destruction. These extremists say it is prophesized in the Bible so it must come to pass. They have thus influenced our government undully and prevented logical secular negotions that could reduce the tensions and fears of terrorism on all sides.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Do some reading of the Bible for yourself and quit depending on whatever opinion colum or blog you are reading.

I consider myself to be fundamentalist. I have NEVER met anyone who believes what you have just stated. I even attend a Southern Baptist Church. None of what you state has ever been mentioned during a service.

Do I think the end time prophecy will happen? Yes.

Do I (or any of the hundreds of Chirstians I know) think Bush and the involvement in Iraq are going to make it happen? NO WAY!!!

Where are you getting this stuff? Or are you just making it up as you go?

[al2n]

ILP-

Do you agree with the following statement?


Quote[/b] ]Jewish bankers control the American economy with an iron hand. We should remove these users from power and restore a Constitutional money system. Taxes will be lowered, the corrupt Federal system will be smashed, and the foreign buying up of our nation will be halted. We need to place trained economist in charge of our economy and punish the jew tycoons who have brought America to the brink of financial disaster.


Does this fit with your view on things?

[kc7jty]

What is your opinion of Israel Mike? It is a good thing?

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Sep. 15 2006,10:13)]Quote[/b] (K5UOS @ Sep. 15 2006,11:52)]"I am hard pressed to think of any. Can you?"

Timothy McVeigh?

Warren Jeffs? Child abuse is violent.

dk
Warren Jeffs is an extremist, but hardly a Christian. #I guess it depends on how wide you want to define "Christian" though... #Even the mainstream Mormons want nothing to do with him.

73, Rob
"mainstream" Mormon?

Oxymoron, perhaps?

[KI4PEQ]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Sep. 14 2006,17:32)]KI4PEQ....Here we were talking about religions and politics and you had to start in with sex.
Isn't anything sacred enough to take on one at a time? # And then k1OU doesn't get it. #I won't bother to guess why he appears so innocent.

w2ilp (I Like Poetry)...and... I love little pussy her coat is so warm and if I don't hurt her she'll do me no harm; so I'll not pull her tail or drive her away, but pussy and I very gently shall play... #I wonder if Robert Louis Stevenson could write that today without being accused of being ungodly by prudes puritans and pilgrams who can not define evil, terrorism, or pussies without getting them wrong. # After all being gentle is not the proper style for macho America.
Religion, sex, and politics are all interrelated. Religion doesn't want you to have sex unless you are making more little churchgoers. Politicians are either screwing their interns or congressional pages, and the public at large gets a royal screwing from the government daily, usually in the poop chute, without the benefit of Vaseline or a kiss afterward.

Just my observation...that and $3.75 will get you a latte at Starbucks.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (nx6d @ Sep. 16 2006,01:25)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Sep. 15 2006,10:13)]Quote[/b] (K5UOS @ Sep. 15 2006,11:52)]"I am hard pressed to think of any. Can you?"

Timothy McVeigh?

Warren Jeffs? Child abuse is violent.

dk
Warren Jeffs is an extremist, but hardly a Christian. I guess it depends on how wide you want to define "Christian" though... Even the mainstream Mormons want nothing to do with him.

73, Rob
"mainstream" Mormon?

Oxymoron, perhaps?
Well, no. Jeffs is (was) the leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which broke away from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the late 1800's when the Mormons denounced polygamy. Two completely separate groups. Now, maybe Mormonism isn't exactly mainstream (?!), but within the Mormons, Jeffs and his sect are the "fundamantalist extremists" and far from the mainstream.

It's some interesting stuff, from a sociopathic perspective and all about power and corruption, IMO at least. Beyond the polygamy and underage marriages lies some really ugly stuff, as if that's not bad enough. For instance, in order to embrace polygamy in the manner Jeffs did, you quickly run into a situation where there are far too many young males in your society. Jeffs' solution to this was to drive up to a young male's house, give him time to pack a suitcase and then drive him to the edge of "town" where he was basically told never to come back. In most cases, these young men were underage. As it turns out, these kids were probably the lucky ones. Jeffs also required a $1,000 per month donation from each family to his "church."

When he was arrested, he was in a new red Cadillac Escalade and they found dozens of cellphones, several laptop computers and over $50,000 in cash, all things he preached against. Red being the color of the devil, afterall, and the "kids in the compound" don't exactly have access to the Internet and NBC News. I kind of liken this to Limbaugh's getting caught with his paws in the drug jar -- if nothing else, it's some serious hypocrisy. How this will play out among his followers is yet to be seen, but some people are "sheep for life" apparently -- how else can Limbaugh's continued following be explained?

Mormonism today claims about three million members in the U.S. (1% of our population) and ranks tenth among the religions with Christian roots.

73, Rob

[w2amr]

I love hearing about how "Honest" Rosie is. Notice she didn't come out untill AFTER she had a few mill in the bank?

[K3XR]

In the overall scheme of things, Rosey is little more than a bit player in the Hate America Crowd, looking for a little more recognition and status.

http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6576

[wa5tts]

With Rosie Queer speaking for the Dems, we can sit back and watch the votes fly south. Keep up the good work.

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Sep. 14 2006,10:36)]Why does anybody listen to these people?
Just because your on a TV show or in a movie doesn't make that person qualified to make pronouncements and have it given any more weight than anybody elses opinion.

Most of the time the hollywood opinion maker can't find their butts with their hands and are lucky to have graduated highschool.

Why do we place any importance on these people's opinion?
How bout cause we are stupid? Our moronic ongress listened to our moron president.

[W2ILP]

al2n

I do not agree with any of the statements you have asked me about. #All of them stem from generalizations that are false when we consider the entire picture. #I have noted myself that there are many unethical Jewish buisness men ...but certainly this is a generalization based on my own very limited experience in my own limited field. #There are certainly many very ethical Jews even among religious ones, as well as crooks of all other faiths. #I can undestand the love for Israel that comes from most Jews...It is not just religious..It comes from a desire to be nationalistic for their own nation and compete on the world playing field with other groups who they feel have surpressed this idenity before there was an Israel. # I do not feel that way and maybe it is because I was brought up to think of the USA as my home and myself as a citizen, I owe my loyalty and patriotism to the USA first....and exclusively.

Yep...There are many wealthy Jews in the USA...but in the Fortune 500 there are very few listed. #Warren Buffet has recently bought an Israeli company...He is not Jewish but he seems free to invest in Israel...That's business....

I have watched the lobbyist, Jack Abramoff who stole from an American Indian tribe, took money from Christian Fundamentalists....and contributed money to a school for snipers in Israel. # Certainly he is an American Jew who I do not like...he brings shame to all Jews.
#
Recently a Jewish man , named Cohen, the CEO of Laurence Aviation was caught dumping toxic waste matter into Long Island...I am ashamed to say that it could give lots of people including me a bad impression of Jews in general...BUT I am rational enough to not lump all those of Jewish ancestory into the shameful guilt of a few who cut corners to make a buck...or thousands of bucks. #There are just too many good hard working and productive Jews around...and some very intelligent ones as well.

If you have read my posts carefully...I did not say that Christians as a religious group were to blame for killing innocent people at the present time. #I can not say if the church that you go to is promoting Holy WAR or an unbalanced near eastern policy. #That is up to you to recognize. #Every church may have its own clergy.. who may have different opinions and world views..if any. #I only dislike the Fundamentalists who take passages out of Bibles and convert them to modern time hatred and unnecessary aggressive action.

I do have some suspicians that are gut feelings and that make me a hypocrite...Yep...I can be a hypocrite when I expess opinion that I am unable to prove but..
I suspect that each of the following were agents of Israel.
Monica Lewinsky
Shauna Levy
Jack Abramoff
Joe Lieberman

I could be wrong ...but if you want to fault me on suspecting unAmertican motivations of Jews, Ill state my predjudices. # If any of them can prove theirb innocense...I'll apolegize.

All that being said... Fundamentalist Muslim terrorists are worse than Zionists for as the Pope has said:-
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".

Although as an Atheist I believe that Catholic doctrine is impossible to follow and obsolete, I must agree with the statement made by Pope Benedict XVI because it was Muslims that most directly caused 9/11....Jews and Christians may only be indirectly to blame for inciting the Muslims.

w2ilp (I Like People)...I don't hate people just because they can be catergorized as being members of a group...I judge people as individuals only...but I recognize that some religious groups of all religions do promote hatred and revenge that is a threat to world peace. # As I said our government has been prompted by fanatics who do not represent the large majority of Christian Americans of all subsects. # I on;y caution people not to vote on faith alone but to use common sense.

[al2n]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Sep. 16 2006,00:04)]What is your opinion of Israel Mike? It is a good thing?
My opinion on Israel?

For the most part I support them. Some of their actions are less than honorable, but for the most part I feel they are justified in the actions they take in defense of their nation.

[al2n]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Sep. 16 2006,12:05)]al2n

I do not agree with any of the statements you have asked me about.
Good!

The quote I posted was from the platform of the White Knight s of the Ku Klux Klan.

Sometimes what you say comes real close to the stuff they put out.

Just wanted to make sure.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Sep. 16 2006,00:09)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Sep. 16 2006,00:04)]What is your opinion of Israel Mike? It is a good thing?
My opinion on Israel?

For the most part I support them. #Some of their actions are less than honorable, but for the most part I feel they are justified in the actions they take in defense of their nation.
I had a born again friend who was convinced current day Israel's existance had everything to do with bible prophecy, and was somehow connected with his soon to take place rapture, or being in heaven.
He would defend Israel with more zeal than he would this country. Needless to say my attitude towards Israel caused us to have a falling out about 2 years ago.

[KI4PEQ]

Quote[/b] (W4BCR @ Sep. 15 2006,13:03)]Rosie is an insulated lesbian facist neodem who doesn't know jack. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
She doesn't know "Jack" in both the literal and the biblical sense. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[W2ILP]

al2n

As soon as anyone blames Jews for anythinkg he is bound to be called a NAZI or a KKK member. This is par for the course and the reason that it is very hard to state facts and to draw attention to present day conditions in Israel as well as the muderous aggression of Israelis who follow the certitude of the late Meyer Kahane. In truth Kahane can be compared with NAZIs and KKK sheet wearers because he was in favor of using any and all tactics that would drive Muslims out of Israel as well as out of the surrounding nations. He believed that any Muslims remaining in Israel itself might only be used as slaves. There are members in the israeli Lecud Party today, that believe as Kahane did.

Some time ago there was a conference of Africans in South Africa. Representatives of the U.S. including Colin Powel were invited to the conference...but they declined...because the policies of Israel were to be blasted there. There were Black Africans there who had fought for their independence in Africa. They were aware of the policies of Israel that were as bad as aparthied. There is ethnic and racial discrimination in Israel today that is seen as more predjudicial than in Africa. Black Jews who came to Israel from Etheopia are not given equal rights. Obviously White Muslims in Israel are marked... lest they be treated as Jewish Israelis, who they physically resemble.. Their cars are marked and they must ID at every check point on the roads. All this when Hassidic Jews are given bonuses for having more children and not asked to work productively or to serve in the military. Such inequality in Israel is worse than the old south slavery may have been in the U.S.A.

Yep Rosie doesn't know Jack.., otherwise she might be blamed as our president and vice president and a number of members of congress have been for knowing JACK Abramoff....and lying that they don't know Jack. If Rosie knew Jack Abramoff you could accuse her of pandering to the charities of his choice...but she certainly isn't guilty of that. It was Jack who didn't want the garment workers of the islands of the Pacific which are American territories to earn the same minimum wage as most mainland Americans.....Jack was however a big Israel supporter.

Don't call me a religious Jew or a NAZI. I do not believe that I belong to either a chosen people or a master race. I am an American!

w2ilp (I Like Peace)...and I want everyone to live in peace...not just me.

w2ilp (I Like Peace)...more than any NAZI or KKKer.

[KC4HGH]

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Sep. 17 2006,13:14)]Quote[/b] (W4BCR @ Sep. 15 2006,13:03)]Rosie is an insulated lesbian facist neodem who doesn't know jack. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
She doesn't know "Jack" in both the literal and the biblical sense. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
She needs to "Shut Up And Act"...oh, wait, she can't even act...SHUT UP, ROSIE!

(I'm surprised Tom Sellek didn't knock her in the dirt- but, then, he's too much of a gentleman!)

Rosie's another of Hollywood's elites who needs to fade away...FAST!

[k2vhw]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Sep. 15 2006,17:27)].

.......................In Havana, Cuba there is a conference going on that includes nations that GWB calls Empires of Evil. #This Includes Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, and Syria. #They are also demanding an apology. #Since 9/11 most Americans may feel threatened by terrorism...but we must also realze that the nations meeting in Havana also feel threatened by US..................... #

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Peace can only be acheived when there is MODERATION.................................

w2ilp ( I Like Peace)........................
This is known as 'the conference of non-aligned nations'!

Now it is quite obvious that all these nations are extreme left-wing nations. #You do understand that it is this unfounded fear those leaders perpetrate upon their subjects in order to maintain control and demagoguery.
There is no reason in this world to believe the U.S. is a threat to their existence. #The only 'threat' is the work the U.S. does that promotes FREEDOM of oppression. It's the FEAR THOSE LEADERS HAVE OF losing their demonic, tight fisted and oppressive control; that fear those far-leftist leaders have of losing that 'strangle-hold' over their 'subjects' which drives them to use the U.S. as a symbol. This 'symbol' to banter and focus outrageous rage from the masses at the U.S.A.......a scapegoat!
The U.S., a world symbol of freedom, democracy that flies into the face of those demagogues. Like others in history, pick a 'cause, a scapegoat' and tell enough lies enough of the time and they become the 'truth'.
If you want PEACE, you'll have to call for MODERATION among those 'non-aligned nations' as well.

[W0LPQ]

PEQ sez: "She doesn't know "Jack" in both the literal and the biblical sense."

Wonder if she knows any Jackies..??

Bill, W0LPQ

[k2vhw]

ILP,

But you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT when you blame all this aggression squarely on religion. It IS religion that drives all the fighting around the world today. From the middle east to the far east and Darfur and even Ireland to right here at home. #It is and has been throughout recorded history. Today, in Bangladesh, between India and Pakistan; between Catholic and Protestants; between Islam and Judaism; between right-to-life supporters and free choice. Everywhere you search you will find aggression over religious beliefs and you simply must lay blame wherever it exists. But you seem to have a skewed opinion against Israel that is much unbalanced. You almost sound as hatefull towards Israel as Israel's own enemies in the middle east.
Be careful that you don't press your own 'religion' (a belief, Atheism) to extreme.
I close with the acknowledgement that there ARE extremists in Israel. But they don't make Israel evil. Israel, in MY opinion, has made mistakes. Israel is struggling to exist. Like Iran or Syria or any Islam nation is determined to provide a nation for believers in Islam, so Israel is determined to have a sanctuary for Judaism. We must find the moderates in the Moslem world who can allow BOTH to live in PEACE. We must condemn any who oppose this effort.
It can't happen with demagogues like Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who said in a speech "Israel should be wiped off the map!"
You can be agnostic but be fair in your assessments that your own 'religion' (or lack thereof) doesn't poison your pen.

Marvin
I want peace too, fair and equal for Islam AND Israel.

[k2vhw]

Now about Rosie. I am retired from abc-tv as a studio tech. I worked on 'The View' for the last 4 years until this May 1st. I can tell you that Rosie is not the least bit dumb. But Rosie is VERY opinionated. Rosie is very very 'liberal'. Rosie is very BRASH. Rosie speaks her mind without 'whipped creme' or flowers. Rosie's success is that SHE HAS THE PULPIT from which to 'preach'. Many do not agree with her but there are many thousands who do! Just another 'opinion'. The one thing you all have to combat this preaching from the pulpit is your on-off switch. You don't have to listen. I don't. When I'm called in to work on the show with her I simply do my job and let Rosie do hers. As it's been said several times here on QRZ.com........follow the money......money talks......that's all there is to Rosie and 'The View'.

Marvin
I know......it helps to complain about it......soothes the egos!