DEMOCRATS ABORTING THEIR FUTURE

[K3XR]

Why do the Dems want to fill voting boths with convicted felons in orange jump suits and illegal aliens, it's because their number cause, abortion, is wiping out potential Dem voters.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008831

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Aug. 21 2006,18:19)]Why do the Dems want to fill voting boths with convicted felons in orange jump suits and illegal aliens, it's because their number cause, abortion, is wiping out potential Dem voters.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008831
I am in favor of free abortions for Republicans.

[KC4HGH]

"According to the 2004 General Social Survey, if you picked 100 unrelated politically liberal adults at random, you would find that they had, between them, 147 children. If you picked 100 conservatives, you would find 208 kids. That's a "fertility gap" of 41%. Given that about 80% of people with an identifiable party preference grow up to vote the same way as their parents, this gap translates into lots more little Republicans than little Democrats to vote in future elections. Over the past 30 years this gap has not been below 20%--explaining, to a large extent, the current ineffectiveness of liberal youth voter campaigns today."

Hmmmm...seems like common sense is prevailing here....

"I am in favor of free abortions for Republicans." per KC0VWU....isn't that a little threatening? Kinda like saying you'd like to kill off some Republicans? Retroactive abortion? Hmmmm, folks like you make me stay alert at all times...talk about home-grown threats....!

[K8MHZ]

Quote[/b] ] "Maybe the scales are tipping to the neoconservative, homogenous right in our culture simply because they tend not to give much of a damn for the ramifications of wanton breeding and environmental destruction and pious sanctimony, whereas those on the left actually seem to give a whit for the health of the planet and the dire effects of overpopulation."

I actually had to look up 'whit'.

I thought it was a typo as the 'w' is right...I mean just (BIG DIFFERENCE) above the 's' on the keyboard.

[KI4ITV]

Boy, that right there is one big pile of assumptions. I guess the poll was taken at a 'high end mall' and not in one of the poorer sections of town. And EVERYONE knows politics is hereditary??? WTF???
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[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ Aug. 21 2006,18:37)]"I am in favor of free abortions for Republicans." per KC0VWU....isn't that a little threatening? Kinda like saying you'd like to kill off some Republicans? Retroactive abortion? Hmmmm, folks like you make me stay alert at all times...talk about home-grown threats....!
You have, in typical neo-con fashion, twisted my statement into a vicious lie. You owe me an apology.

[KW4MW]

KC4HGHQuote[/b] ]"I am in favor of free abortions for Republicans." per KC0VWU....isn't that a little threatening? #Kinda like saying you'd like to kill off some Republicans? #Retroactive abortion? #Hmmmm, folks like you make me stay alert at all times...talk about home-grown threats....!
KC0VWUQuote[/b] ]You have, in typical neo-con fashion, twisted my statement into a vicious lie. #You owe me an apology.
Sorry VWU - You pretty much said you advocate that Republicans be aborted. #I am in favor of free abortions for Republicans The only question is whether you meant retroactive for current members or applying to their offspring.

I don't know how you could accuse HGH of twisting your statement into a vicious lie since he merely commented upon the intent of your statement.

However, perhaps you didn't phrase yourself as well as you should have so why don't you have another go at it and see if it makes more sense the second time around.

And for those of you getting ready to pounce on me in regard to my earlier room temperature quip - just remember I never denied saying it nor did I attempt to spin it any differently then it's original intent.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Aug. 22 2006,17:19)]Why do the Dems want to fill voting boths with convicted felons in orange jump suits and illegal aliens, it's because their number cause, abortion, is wiping out potential Dem voters.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008831
You do understand that, given this theory, the Republicans will be superseded by those from south of the border?

73, Rob

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Aug. 23 2006,09:47)]Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Aug. 22 2006,17:19)]Why do the Dems want to fill voting boths with convicted felons in orange jump suits and illegal aliens, it's because their number cause, abortion, is wiping out potential Dem voters.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008831
You do understand that, given this theory, the Republicans will be superseded by those from south of the border?

73, Rob
Somebody's gotta do the work.

[ke7imb]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Aug. 22 2006,11:10)]Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ Aug. 21 2006,18:37)]"I am in favor of free abortions for Republicans." per KC0VWU....isn't that a little threatening? #Kinda like saying you'd like to kill off some Republicans? #Retroactive abortion? #Hmmmm, folks like you make me stay alert at all times...talk about home-grown threats....!
You have, in typical neo-con fashion, twisted my statement into a vicious lie. #You owe me an apology.
Typical left wing lib all for free speach except for people who don't think like them.

[KC4HGH]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Aug. 22 2006,19:10)]Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ Aug. 21 2006,18:37)]"I am in favor of free abortions for Republicans." per KC0VWU....isn't that a little threatening? #Kinda like saying you'd like to kill off some Republicans? #Retroactive abortion? #Hmmmm, folks like you make me stay alert at all times...talk about home-grown threats....!
You have, in typical neo-con fashion, twisted my statement into a vicious lie. #You owe me an apology.
No, sir- no apology will be offered nor given- your intent is loud and clear.

I would like ALL the TV networks to air clips of all the WTC bombings and attacks up to present, instead of commercials, and that it be required viewing for ALL U.S. citizens, so that people like you will see where the real threats lie.

For the life of me, I can't see why grown people such as yourself, VWU, keep up the twisted, petty little attacks, when the threats come from other areas...it becomes tiring, like a mad chihuahua nipping at one's heels.... Statements such as yours are not mature in nature, but show an angry, hateful, small-focused view of those around you who don't agree with your viewpoint(s). I can't even find pity for you, since yours is of such a hate-filled nature....

[al2n]

The lot of you are a bunch of sick bastards.

Keep wishing death on each other all you want. Pretty soon you will not have to worry about terrorist threats. You all sound just like the mulsim extremists wishing death on your political opponents.

Why should they bother to come after you? You sound so much like them they will mistake you for brothers in arms.

So all of you, liberal and conservative, put on your bathrobe, wrap a towel on your head and treat your women like animals.

You sound like them, may as well act like it too.

[KC4HGH]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Aug. 23 2006,09:30)]The lot of you are a bunch of sick bastards.

Keep wishing death on each other all you want. #Pretty soon you will not have to worry about terrorist threats. #You all sound just like the mulsim extremists wishing death on your political #opponents.

Why should they bother to come after you? #You sound so much like them they will mistake you for brothers in arms.

So all of you, liberal and conservative, put on your bathrobe, wrap a towel on your head and treat your women like animals.

You sound like them, may as well act like it too.
Mike, I don't know WHERE you get this stuff...but I will tell you this: I prefer to live a quiet life, hopefully free from threats, both from within and from without. I personally have done nothing to harm anyone and live my life, and lead my family, in the best manner humanly possible by Biblical morals, ethics, etc.

I have done nothing to receive the sort of treatment such as "offered" by VWU except to think, act and vote a certain way...my concience is clear, but when confronted by something I haven't asked for nor deserved, then I push back. Read 1 Timothy 5:8...and I hope you'll agree with me that to "provide" means many things, including protection for my family. For someone threatening them with death in whatever manner is unreasonable and baseless.

What is sick? To hate someone because of an affiliation? That to me sounds just like the person flinging the vitriol is no better than those wishing harm to us from outside the country. If I had to be in a foxhole with someone who hated me and wished death upon me, I'd stand a better chance walking openly on the streets of the country in which my enemy is based- at least I could run for cover whereas the person, supposedly my fellow countryman, could knife me in the back as soon as my attention is drawn from him.

I find that, by the end of the day, many of us are very similar in nature, however diverse our viewpoints...but to openly threaten is to be no better than those Islamofascists who wish to wipe us off the face of the earth....

Yes, I agree that this infighting could do their dirty work for them..."for if we don't stand together, we shall all surely hang separately." Many have forgotten how this country was forged and many may see it fall, if this continues....

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Aug. 23 2006,08:30)]The lot of you are a bunch of sick bastards.

Keep wishing death on each other all you want. Pretty soon you will not have to worry about terrorist threats. You all sound just like the mulsim extremists wishing death on your political opponents.

Why should they bother to come after you? You sound so much like them they will mistake you for brothers in arms.

So all of you, liberal and conservative, put on your bathrobe, wrap a towel on your head and treat your women like animals.

You sound like them, may as well act like it too.
Mike -

You sound like a liberal in training who is going through a grueling re-education experience. I hope you do not become sanctimonious and brittle, as I have been the Alaskan distributor for some time and do not look forward to competition. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ Aug. 22 2006,09:57)]I would like ALL the TV networks to air clips of all the WTC bombings and attacks up to present, instead of commercials, and that it be required viewing for ALL U.S. citizens, so that people like you will see where the real threats lie.
The real threat lies with overly ambitious leaders & ignorant underlings.

http://www.fff.org/comment/ed1201b.asp

[KC4HGH]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 23 2006,23:32)]Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ Aug. 22 2006,09:57)]I would like ALL the TV networks to air clips of all the WTC bombings and attacks up to present, instead of commercials, and that it be required viewing for ALL U.S. citizens, so that people like you will see where the real threats lie.
The real threat lies with overly ambitious leaders & ignorant underlings.

http://www.fff.org/comment/ed1201b.asp
Fables may have a great ending, but REAL LIFE is where the real lessons are learned.

Many of us have turned our attention away from what has happened in the recent past, only to attack one another for things that are trivial next to being wiped off the face of the earth. #Muslim against Christian has been going on for thousands of years...so, if we continue this infighting, we are weakening ourselves and helping the Islamofascists.

Go to www.rd.com, do a search on bin Ladin and find the article Reader's Digest wrote approximately two years before 9/11/01, entitled, "This Man Wants You Dead". #Chilling but good read....

As for the video clips, everyone needs to be reminded to stand together....reality is reality, you can't stick your head in the sand & pretend it'll go away...

[al2n]

Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ Aug. 23 2006,10:04)]Quote[/b] (al2n @ Aug. 23 2006,09:30)]The lot of you are a bunch of sick bastards.

Keep wishing death on each other all you want. #Pretty soon you will not have to worry about terrorist threats. #You all sound just like the mulsim extremists wishing death on your political #opponents.

Why should they bother to come after you? #You sound so much like them they will mistake you for brothers in arms.

So all of you, liberal and conservative, put on your bathrobe, wrap a towel on your head and treat your women like animals.

You sound like them, may as well act like it too.
Mike, I don't know WHERE you get this stuff...but I will tell you this: I prefer to live a quiet life, hopefully free from threats, both from within and from without. #I personally have done nothing to harm anyone and live my life, and lead my family, in the best manner humanly possible by Biblical morals, ethics, etc.

I have done nothing to receive the sort of treatment such as "offered" by VWU except to think, act and vote a certain way...my concience is clear, but when confronted by something I haven't asked for nor deserved, then I push back. #Read 1 Timothy 5:8...and I hope you'll agree with me that to "provide" means many things, including protection for my family. #For someone threatening them with death in whatever manner is unreasonable and baseless.

What is sick? #To hate someone because of an affiliation? #That to me sounds just like the person flinging the vitriol is no better than those wishing harm to us from outside the country. #If I had to be in a foxhole with someone who hated me and wished death upon me, I'd stand a better chance walking openly on the streets of the country in which my enemy is based- at least I could run for cover whereas the person, supposedly my fellow countryman, could knife me in the back as soon as my attention is drawn from him.

I find that, by the end of the day, many of us are very similar in nature, however diverse our viewpoints...but to openly threaten is to be no better than those Islamofascists who wish to wipe us off the face of the earth....

Yes, I agree that this infighting could do their dirty work for them..."for if we don't stand together, we shall all surely hang separately." #Many have forgotten how this country was forged and many may see it fall, if this continues....
Was I talking to you?

Have you made any comments hoping for the death of a liberal lately? If the answer is no, then ignore what I said.

If you have, then you are no better than the person who made the abortion comment.

One death wish for another makes a poor example.

Read Philippians 2:3-4 and Matthew 7:12 or Luke chapter 6 if you want to know how to approach those who wish you ill.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 23 2006,22:32)]Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ Aug. 22 2006,09:57)]I would like ALL the TV networks to air clips of all the WTC bombings and attacks up to present, instead of commercials, and that it be required viewing for ALL U.S. citizens, so that people like you will see where the real threats lie.
The real threat lies with overly ambitious leaders & ignorant underlings.

http://www.fff.org/comment/ed1201b.asp
I visited with Bumper Hornberger for a bit when he first started FFF and he is just like so many of the other highly rational, incredibly intelligent advocates of a radical liberty: Super nice, well-spoken, remarkably non-judgmental and accepting, etc. It is like they are cut from the same cloth.

The one thing that surprised me about Bumper is how strongly religious he is. I never detected in his writings that his philosophical foundations were rooted in a deep faith in God. Other than that, he could be George Smith, David Friedman or any of a dozen other pro-freedom radicals. The core intellectual coterie for anarcho-capitalism seems populated with atheists -- and then, interestingly, there is Hornberger.

Notice how he is definately not from the Objectivist philosophic tributary, and how that translates into less forcible response to defend when attacked, almost pacifism. Leading Objectivists, notably Leonard Peikoff, called for an immediate, punishing attack on Iran within hours of the WTC atrocities.

To an Objectvist, a more free nation has the moral right (but no moral requirement) to attack a less free one. The philosophically thoughtful Christians I have known (all two of them) see a personal attack as an opportunity to turn the other cheek, unless or until the attack is against innocents who depend on your protection.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,09:29)]The philosophically thoughtful Christians I have known (all two of them) see a personal attack as an opportunity to turn the other cheek, unless or until the attack is against innocents who depend on your protection.
A cogent and literate post. TU. All in all, a refreshing breeze through an often airless thread.

The quote above is a point which needs continual reemphasis. Turning the other cheek is a noble, but ultimately personal, choice that must be reserved to one's self. No one of us has a right to turn our cheek to the injury of another.

All of the arguments about the genesis of our guilt, and the implied justification they lend to the steady progression of attacks against the West by sullen hordes under the guise of some salvationist rationale cannot absolve a failure to defend ourselves as vigorously as necessary.

The simple fact is that we have no other option than total victory over uncompromising evil, and any doctrine or theology that justifies the attack against innocents is, ipso facto, evil in the extreme.

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Aug. 24 2006,00:50)]<clip>The simple fact is that we have no other option than total victory over uncompromising evil, and any doctrine or theology that justifies the attack against innocents is, ipso facto, evil in the extreme.
Attacks against innocents is why many of us view Israeli leadership as evil forces.

Very well put, MIV.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Aug. 24 2006,06:26)]Attacks against innocents is why many of us view Israeli leadership as evil forces.
How do you see the Dresden bombing?

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,10:30)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Aug. 24 2006,06:26)]Attacks against innocents is why many of us view Israeli leadership as evil forces.
How do you see the Dresden bombing?
Some years back, Peter Calvocoressi and Guy Wint wrote an analysis called "Total War" that dug into the march of technology that outpaced Barbara Tuchman's "March of Folly," both of which are valuable to an understanding of the psychological anesthesia that accompanies the desperation of a dire conflict.

Deep in our genes we are still living the lives of progenitors now long smothered under eons of sediment. We yield life no more readily now than we did then, and a nation, a tribe if you will, will struggle to survive with the same tenacious ferocity as a drowning man.

Ultimately, there is no justification beyond survival that can argue to the contrary. This was no less evident among the Allies or the Axis in WWII than it is now among the various protagonists in the titanic struggles now animating the clash of civilzations.

All philosophy is unavailing to the man who feels the hands on his throat.

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,01:30)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Aug. 24 2006,06:26)]Attacks against innocents is why many of us view Israeli leadership as evil forces.
How do you see the Dresden bombing?
The Killing of Innocents

by N9XR

I don't like the killing of innocents, O Dave the Brave
I don't like it with cheese if you please.
I don't like it in the past or present, it isn't pleasant
I don't like to plan it for the future, It isn’t prudent at that juncture.

I don't like it when the US does it, makes me want to spit
I don't like it done by proxy, or my first call wasn't WN0RXE
I don't like it done to an enemy, (for then) they'll never be a friend of me
I don't like it done to me, oh can’t you see?

Try to excuse, the pain and abuse
By saying two wrong, no matter how long
Make everything right, propagating fright
Propaganda slave, O Dave the Brave

[W3MIV]

Stick with prose.
















Please.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Aug. 24 2006,08:21)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,01:30)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Aug. 24 2006,06:26)]Attacks against innocents is why many of us view Israeli leadership as evil forces.
How do you see the Dresden bombing?
The Killing of Innocents

by N9XR

I don't like the killing of innocents, O Dave the Brave
I don't like it with cheese if you please.
I don't like it in the past or present, it isn't pleasant
I don't like to plan it for the future, It isn’t prudent at that juncture.

I don't like it when the US does it, makes me want to spit
I don't like it done by proxy, or my first call wasn't WN0RXE
I don't like it done to an enemy, (for then) they'll never be a friend of me
I don't like it done to me, oh can’t you see?

Try to excuse, the pain and abuse
By saying two wrong, no matter how long
Make everything right, propagating fright
Propaganda slave, O Dave the Brave
Cool! That is the most interesting response I have seen in a long while. I feel immense disquiet about the children and tots of Dresden just as in Hiroshima and elsewhere. A great opportunity to discuss it this is. Unfortunately, I have to take a work break, so I'll get back to you when time avails.

(You are right about the propaganda, BTW. It has been interesting to dabble in it. It is easy when you feel you are in the right -- I don't know how well it would play if done cynically.)

[N9XR]

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[KC4HGH]

"Was I talking to you?

Have you made any comments hoping for the death of a liberal lately? If the answer is no, then ignore what I said."

Apparently, Mike, I thought you lumped me in with all the others out there that get entangled in this mess...

BTW, I believe I know the Scriptures you mentioned- I'll go back & review & study them and get back to you- but in the meantime, I will still stay ever vigilant.

Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Aug. 23 2006,07:50)]The simple fact is that we have no other option than total victory over uncompromising evil, and any doctrine or theology that justifies the attack against innocents is, ipso facto, evil in the extreme.
Oh brother......I got the hip boots pulled all the way up to my eye balls and I'm still getting wet.

[N9XR]

Bill, It's because MIV rains that stuff in this forum. Try a head covering.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 23 2006,08:30)]How do you see the Dresden bombing?
An exercise of the side with the upper hand playing that upper hand in a way that pleases them.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Aug. 23 2006,12:07)]Bill, It's because MIV rains that stuff in this forum. #Try a head covering.
ROTFLMAO http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Aug. 24 2006,14:07)]Bill, It's because MIV rains that stuff in this forum. #Try a head covering.
Not to worry. No head coverings needed around here. Just about anything will bounce off most of the assembled topknots. Or tonsures, as the case may be.

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,10:30)]How do you see the Dresden bombing?
Nazis? They deserved it. j/k http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Quote[/b] ]Twas KC4HGH that sez:
Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.

Case in point. Iraqi quagmire. Ipso Facto. Suffragium Caveo.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Aug. 24 2006,10:33)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Aug. 24 2006,14:07)]Bill, It's because MIV rains that stuff in this forum. Try a head covering.
Not to worry. No head coverings needed around here. Just about anything will bounce off most of the assembled topknots. Or tonsures, as the case may be.
It is good to see you guys gang up on Albert as that makes it a fair fight. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[al2i]

Quote[/b] ]Or tonsures, as the case may be.

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[al2i]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,05:29)]The philosophically thoughtful Christians I have known (all two of them) ...
I apologize for my parenthetical slam. It was not true, not kind, and not cute. Sorry.

In point of fact, there are several very thoughtful Christians in this forum and I value their often brilliant insight.

Dave/al2i

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,17:28)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,05:29)]The philosophically thoughtful Christians I have known (all two of them) ...
I apologize for my parenthetical slam. #It was not true, not kind, and not cute. #Sorry.

In point of fact, there are several very thoughtful Christians in this forum and I value their often brilliant insight.

Dave/al2i
Your thought speaks well of you, but I doubt anyone took it as a personal slight.

Indeed, as I am sure you have noticed in past brushes of this sort, umbrage is usually a means of deflecting the issue to avoid the issue. Better to hoot one down than attempt a reply of merit.

And the higher the dudgeon, the more telling the failure.

[al2i]

"Dudgeon"?

Actually, an eskimo friend calls me "Mr. Big Words" as kind of a friendly ribbing at my penchant for arcane verbiage, but you my friend, have humbled me. I heretofor dub thee as "Mr. Big Words". You are certainly more deserving of that title than I, and you are certainly welcome to the honor and prestige befitting your well-earned title.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,17:05)]"Dudgeon"?

Actually, an eskimo friend calls me "Mr. Big Words" as kind of a friendly ribbing at my penchant for arcane verbiage, but you my friend, have humbled me. I heretofor dub thee as "Mr. Big Words". You are certainly more deserving of that title than I, and you are certainly welcome to the honor and prestige befitting your well-earned title.
Do you think Albert reads Jeff Cooper? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Rob

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Aug. 24 2006,19:07)]Do you think Albert reads Jeff Cooper?
An interesting observation, Rob.

Perhaps the only jarhead with whom I regularly disagree, most particularly about his long-running, and highly successful campaign to rearm police departments with hi-cap auto-loading handguns instead of very reliable and far more manageable revolvers.

And he is, arguably, even more opinionated than I.

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[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 23 2006,15:28)]In point of fact, there are several very thoughtful Christians in this forum and I value their often brilliant insight.
No one is perfect. Even those with the worst of brain seizures in some areas can excell in others. It's what makes us human.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Aug. 24 2006,14:10)]And the higher the dudgeon, the more telling the failure.
http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/MrBigWordsAward.jpg

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Aug. 24 2006,17:32)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Aug. 24 2006,19:07)]Do you think Albert reads Jeff Cooper?
An interesting observation, Rob.

Perhaps the only jarhead with whom I regularly disagree, most particularly about his long-running, and highly successful campaign to rearm police departments with hi-cap auto-loading handguns instead of very reliable and far more manageable revolvers.

And he is, arguably, even more opinionated than I.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
I'll take that as a "yes." At least enough to be familiar.

Reason I mentioned it is there is some parallel in writing style. I do enjoy reading those who have command of the language. Agreement or not, it's fun to read. Well, for me at least. Refreshing even, in a world where spelling appears to be optional.

73, Rob

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 24 2006,19:40)]Even those with the worst of brain seizures in some areas can excell in others. It's what makes us human.
Astonishing sentence, Bill: Do our "brain seizures" make us human? Or is it their severity?

You are may be a good bindle-stiff and a passable zymurgophile, but you might want to lay off the stuff before you post.

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[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,19:47)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Aug. 24 2006,14:10)]And the higher the dudgeon, the more telling the failure.
http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/MrBigWordsAward.jpg
I... I don't quite know what to say... {sniffle}

...I owe it all to my dead Irish mother... {snuffle}


...all those hard years, scrubbing the stoop and pushing me off to the nuns.... {snort... gurgle}


...if only poor Thel could see her little Albie now...

{snuff.... wipe.... blatt blatt... honk... }


Thank you from the bottom of my left ventricle.


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[kc7jty]

this is the message: x

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Aug. 23 2006,17:52)]Astonishing sentence, Bill: Do our "brain seizures" make us human? Or is it their severity?
Must be some seizure of the on board computer taking place considering some of the goofy things many here believe.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,00:48)]I am not paranoid. #Everyone really is out to get me.
and after you're got, shipment to Israel for a life among those you admire so much.

[KC4HGH]

Re:N2NH:
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Twas KC4HGH that sez:
Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.


Case in point. Iraqi quagmire. Ipso Facto. Suffragium Caveo.

Yup, John, seems like folks've forgotten what happened almost 5 years ago on our soil, much less back on Dec. 7, '41...all they want to do is bicker & back-bite today.

I won't get into a debate regarding our involvement in the most recent "wars"...you & I have been there before...but it doesn't seem as if ANYONE is learning anything, except the "man on the street"...ALL leaders are lacking in some way, and we both have our opinions on that. Let's leave it that way, lest we waller in a quagmire of our own....

[KC4HGH]

Mike, AL2N:

"Read Philippians 2:3-4 and Matthew 7:12 or Luke chapter 6 if you want to know how to approach those who wish you ill. "

Yep, Mike, those were what I thought they were...and my question to you, my friend, do you live by these? And, personally, where do you stop turning the other cheek?

Please don't take this as an affront- no one was perfect save for one Man, but He had a purpose...God, knowing we are imperfect, also has a purpose for us. We have fought (physical) wars against evil, directed by God, over the eons. To be sure, many have made war upon others in the name of God, perverting His name & purpose. But, as someone mentioned before, to turn the other cheek and allowing someone else to be harmed isn't what God had in mind. Therefor, I stand on 1 Timothy 5:8, as a father and a husband and a friend to others.

Every situation is different. Maturity in God's Word is what sets us apart from the world and allows us to discern when to fight and when to turn. Or, as one of my pastors in the past said, "Meekness isn't weakness- it's God's Power under control."

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ Aug. 25 2006,13:50)]Re:N2NH:
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Twas KC4HGH that sez:
Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.


Case in point. Iraqi quagmire. Ipso Facto. Suffragium Caveo.

Yup, John, seems like folks've forgotten what happened almost 5 years ago on our soil, much less back on Dec. 7, '41...all they want to do is bicker & back-bite today.

I won't get into a debate regarding our involvement in the most recent "wars"...you & I have been there before...but it doesn't seem as if ANYONE is learning anything, except the "man on the street"...ALL leaders are lacking in some way, and we both have our opinions on that. Let's leave it that way, lest we waller in a quagmire of our own....
Please let me know how you can point to Iraq and say it has anything to do what so ever with 9/11. Especially when Bush has recently said it doesn't. Thanks for this piece of totally erroneous response, then saying, oh, let's not argue this, you've just forgotten 9/11. It's typical of the lies that have been promoted and still believed. Those of us who personally experience this must be a really sad example of humanity. New York didn't vote for Bush after he went after those really bad terrorists everywhere but where they were. We must just be inconsiderate slobs and ingrates. Or, being thinking people who had actually experienced this, we knew there was something wrong with the stories that were being bought wholesale elsewhere.

FYI, I have very good reason to remember 9/11. Too bad, as usual, I personally lived through this experience but what the heck do I know?

Nonnullus puto totus.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Aug. 25 2006,14:20)]FYI, I have very good reason to remember 9/11. #I lost my wife due to 9/11 fallout. #My workplace lost one of their buildings due to the attacks. #Too bad, as usual, I personally lived through this experience but what the heck do I know?
I am very sorry to read all of that, and I deeply regret any pain the memories undoubtedly dredge from deep within you. I pray some solasce will find you and settle into you.

But I would also think you would understand the need to strike back, even when the foundations on which the information were laid proved later to be wrong. No president, good or bad, can afford to let the public languish in fear and wonder; the more horrific the strike, the more striking must be the response.

We are not given to see the future, and must often act on the only data we have, hoping that it will be found to have been accurate. Hindsight, alas, is never afflicted with serendipity.

[N9XR]

W3MIV Quote "We are not given to see the future, and must often act on the only data we have, hoping that it will be found to have been accurate. Hindsight, alas, is never afflicted with serendipity. "

Sometimes this is true. Other times we get memos that tell us details about the future. (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/)

[kc7jty]

If a large schoolyard bully who picks on everybody every day takes a well placed hit from someone who is fed up with it, is the bully correct in responding with the same or more severly?

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Aug. 25 2006,14:50)]W3MIV Quote "We are not given to see the future, and must often act on the only data we have, hoping that it will be found to have been accurate. Hindsight, alas, is never afflicted with serendipity. "

Sometimes this is true. #Other times we get memos that tell us details about the future. (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/)
Jerry, alas, you still seek to simply post some retort as oneupmanship instead of trying to understand how the system really works. Decisions of this magnitude are never based on good, clean information EITHER way. There is always another side of every coin, but the intelligence analysts must GUESS. That is all they have to offer, and we hope to pick the best and brightest brains to do that, but that does not guarantee they will be correct in their analyses, or that their masters will make best use of what they present.

These issues are far bigger and far weightier than these posts, and the men and women we charge with making those decisions often feel an almost paralyzing fear of making them.

Hindsight is all we have now to judge. This is the utter foolishness of reading and believing blogs and other claptrap that clogs reason on the internet. It is like the Bible: you can find in it whatever you want to justify, but that does not make it objectively true, fair or even intelligible.

Education is not the accumulation of information; education is the discernment of information.

[KC4HGH]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Aug. 25 2006,11:20)]Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ Aug. 25 2006,13:50)]Re:N2NH:
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Twas KC4HGH that sez:
Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.


Case in point. #Iraqi quagmire. #Ipso Facto. Suffragium Caveo.

Yup, John, seems like folks've forgotten what happened almost 5 years ago on our soil, much less back on Dec. 7, '41...all they want to do is bicker & back-bite today.

I won't get into a debate regarding our involvement in the most recent "wars"...you & I have been there before...but it doesn't seem as if ANYONE is learning anything, except the "man on the street"...ALL leaders are lacking in some way, and we both have our opinions on that. #Let's leave it that way, lest we waller in a quagmire of our own....
Please let me know how you can point to Iraq and say it has anything to do what so ever with 9/11. #Especially when Bush has recently said it doesn't. #Thanks for this piece of totally erroneous response, then saying, oh, let's not argue this, you've just forgotten 9/11. #It's typical of the lies that have been promoted and still believed. #Those of us who personally experience this must be a really sad example of humanity. #New York didn't vote for Bush after he went after those really bad terrorists everywhere but where they were. #We must just be inconsiderate slobs and ingrates. #Or, being thinking people who had actually experienced this, we knew there was something wrong with the stories that were being bought wholesale elsewhere.

FYI, I have very good reason to remember 9/11. #Too bad, as usual, I personally lived through this experience but what the heck do I know?

Nonnullus puto totus.
John, my point was not Iraq today...the point I obviously failed to get across is that both sides of our respective aisles are beginning to split wider- which plays into the hands of our enemies- and if we don't narrow that gulf and get closer, we'll be easier targets. Our focus is evermore being taken off the goal of staying safe and instead at stabbing at one another- as an earlier poster mentioned....

I never said Iraq had anything to do with 9/11/01- nor that YOU forgot about it- but it seems folks try to constantly drag that dead horse back into the livingroom....please quit trying to read things into my posts that aren't there. I just know our respective opinions and didn't wish to drag this thread further off it's original course than it already has been. Years go, even though folks would have disagreed with their leaders, when it came down to the nitty-gritty, we all got together and got things done in tough times. Now all most folks want to do is tear this country apart- from both sides of the aisle. As I said before, it'll make us easy pickin's for those who hate us.

Everyone has opinions about what needs to be done, but we're not privy to the entire situation, are we? If we were, we wouldn't need the type of government the Founding Fathers put forth. All we can do is vote 'em in & vote 'em out.

John, I know what you've been through- not personally, but in regards to your profession- and you have my respect for what you have gone through and for what you continue to do. However deep the mess we as a country have created, we must all pull together to get out of it- somehow, some way. I pray for folks like you that keep us safe and that you can find peace.

With that said, I'm tired of the same old infighting that's going on here- and the sarcasm. And I didn't study Latin or Greek- this is the United States, SPEAK ENGLISH!

[KC4HGH]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Aug. 25 2006,13:01)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Aug. 25 2006,14:50)]W3MIV Quote "We are not given to see the future, and must often act on the only data we have, hoping that it will be found to have been accurate. Hindsight, alas, is never afflicted with serendipity. "

Sometimes this is true. #Other times we get memos that tell us details about the future. (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/)
Jerry, alas, you still seek to simply post some retort as oneupmanship instead of trying to understand how the system really works. Decisions of this magnitude are never based on good, clean information EITHER way. There is always another side of every coin, but the intelligence analysts must GUESS. That is all they have to offer, and we hope to pick the best and brightest brains to do that, but that does not guarantee they will be correct in their analyses, or that their masters will make best use of what they present.

These issues are far bigger and far weightier than these posts, and the men and women we charge with making those decisions often feel an almost paralyzing fear of making them.

Hindsight is all we have now to judge. This is the utter foolishness of reading and believing blogs and other claptrap that clogs reason on the internet. It is like the Bible: you can find in it whatever you want to justify, but that does not make it objectively true, fair or even intelligible.

Education is not the accumulation of information; education is the discernment of information.
AMEN, Albert!

[N9XR]

W3MIV Quote "Jerry, alas, you still seek to simply post some retort as oneupmanship instead of trying to understand how the system really works. Decisions of this magnitude are never based on good, clean information EITHER way. There is always another side of every coin, but the intelligence analysts must GUESS. That is all they have to offer, and we hope to pick the best and brightest brains to do that, but that does not guarantee they will be correct in their analyses, or that their masters will make best use of what they present.

These issues are far bigger and far weightier than these posts, and the men and women we charge with making those decisions often feel an almost paralyzing fear of making them.

Hindsight is all we have now to judge. This is the utter foolishness of reading and believing blogs and other claptrap that clogs reason on the internet. It is like the Bible: you can find in it whatever you want to justify, but that does not make it objectively true, fair or even intelligible.

Education is not the accumulation of information; education is the discernment of information. "

This is fine Albert. I take my job seriously. I act on information I am given. I am expected to.

The president, on the other hand, is expected only to look forward to vacations, or enjoy vacations without being bothered reading security briefing memos that read hijackings are imminent. To heck with the country. I KNOW HOW THE SYSTEM REALLY WORKS.

Lessee, hijackings, Washington targets, New York targets, bin Laden, uh, not enough information for the guy we have in there. Who cares about the nation’s losses anyway? I will support Bush at the expense of my nation! I see the side of your coin finally.

You are right about us not being able to handle these issues on this forum. How could anyone make sense of these briefings? You would have to have at LEAST a double digit IQ.

Hindsight is all we have now indeed. How could anyone have figured out that bin Laden’s group was planning hijackings from a memo that said that bin Laden was planning hijackings? That would be too difficult for any of us. I agree with you there too.

Education? Educate is from the word educatus meaning ‘brought up’. Your knowledge is there inside you, it only needs to be brought to the surface to be used.

You're smarter than you thought you were.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 25 2006,11:37)]If a large schoolyard bully who picks on everybody every day takes a well placed hit from someone who is fed up with it, is the bully correct in responding with the same or more severly?
I am trying to understand your incredibly warped analogy.

Are the other kids all Islamo-fascists who think God wants them to kill the strong kid because he is a Jew and therefore not a "real" human being?

If so, you bet. When the Principal shows up I'll point my finger at the Islamo-fascist mystical killers and say, "They started it!"

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ Aug. 22 2006,10:57)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Aug. 22 2006,19:10)]Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ Aug. 21 2006,18:37)]"I am in favor of free abortions for Republicans." per KC0VWU....isn't that a little threatening? Kinda like saying you'd like to kill off some Republicans? Retroactive abortion? Hmmmm, folks like you make me stay alert at all times...talk about home-grown threats....!
You have, in typical neo-con fashion, twisted my statement into a vicious lie. You owe me an apology.
No, sir- no apology will be offered nor given- your intent is loud and clear.
My intent is loud and clear? You must be delusional or something, paranoid perhaps. Once again I demand an apology for your vicious attack and a retraction of your lies.

[N9XR]

Don't play dumb, Richard. Your intention to not have your words twisted and distorted from truth is obvious. HGH should not have to apologize for twisting and giving your statement a whole new meaning. You should be proud to have HGH speak on your behalf, saving your time and energy. Hint: Give him your password to the forum ;) and he will really get to work.

[KC0VWU]

Yeah you are right. I'll send him my password right away so I can avoid further distortions. Good idea.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Aug. 24 2006,18:14)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 25 2006,11:37)]If a large schoolyard bully who picks on everybody every day takes a well placed hit from someone who is fed up with it, is the bully correct in responding with the same or more severly?
I am trying to understand your incredibly warped analogy. #

Are the other kids all Islamo-fascists who think God wants them to kill the strong kid because he is a Jew and therefore not a "real" human being?

If so, you bet. #When the Principal shows up I'll point my finger at the Islamo-fascist mystical killers and say, "They started it!"
It is us that started it. We are the big bully. There would be no problem if we weren't imperialist, Israel pushing hubris.

The purveyors of propaganda expect us to believe the "terrorists" would have wanted to kill us anyway, that our policies & behavior in their homelands over the last 60 years had nothing to do with it.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Aug. 26 2006,02:56)]It is us that started it. We are the big bully. There would be no problem if we weren't imperialist, Israel pushing hubris.

The purveyors of propaganda expect us to believe the "terrorists" would have wanted to kill us anyway, that our policies & behavior in their homelands over the last 60 years had nothing to do with it.
Keep this up, Bill, and Merriam-Webster will add your picture to the definition of "simplistic." Fame will at last have found you.

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