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Which "radioese" words and phrases do you hate the worst?
There are two that annoy me but don't bother me. I just find them silly and they are:
"Roger" after every over.
"QSL" after every over.
What radioese words/phrases don't you like?
ka0gkt
08-10-2006, 04:27 AM
"Destinated", I detest "Destinated"
"Final-Final", Help stamp-out and do-away-with redundancy
I am, admittedly, a violator of many other folks pet peeves, so I tend NOT to get on anyone’s case regarding my own pet peeve…specially since I am sometimes guilty of one of my own minor peeves in radioeese, people using Q prosigns on voice communications…Yes, I sometimes check in on phone nets as QRU…Mea Culpa
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
VE7NOT
08-10-2006, 04:33 AM
Nothing bother me other then cussing or sexual humor on a g rated band.
Other then that use 10-codes, q-codes, destined, 'we', roger, over all you want. I couldn't care less. Stuck ups do that. I ignore them.
KB3LIX
08-10-2006, 05:01 AM
Incessant QSL's, QSL this, QSL that,
Whats wrong with OK, or thats correct http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Just plain silliness.
(I have also noticed that MANY DX stations do not seem to understand other substitute words for QSL. I have on numerous occasions acknowledged my call or whatever to a DX station by saying OK, or thats correct, and they are not satisfied until I say QSL. Like its some kind of a secret password. I excuse them because in MANY instances, english may be a second, third, fourth or more language to them.)
And, just who comprises this 'WE' ??
Everything is "WE"
WE did this, or WE did that
No one speaks in the first person except me.
I did this, or I did that....
Silliness !!!
KC9HJX
08-10-2006, 05:14 AM
Here's what I don't like:
HI-HI (On voice? WTF?)
"Destinated"
"Fine Business"
kf4lne
08-10-2006, 05:40 AM
theres always somebody somewhere who has to call CQ for everything, CQ for a radio check, CQ for the time, CQ for the color of the sky, CQ for my toothbrush or whatever else. There are too many to list here, but over the years I have heard countless ways of saying "i got to use the head", first of all, i dont think everyone listening cares that you got to go, so a simple "I will be right back" should be fine but so many people choose to use things like "i got to go water the ferns" or something like that. lets not forget using QSL as a question..ex: "yeah, i got this new part and I plugged it into the board and it gave me some new modes. QSL?" Try this instead: yeah, i got this new part and I plugged it into the board and it gave me some new modes, you know what i mean? and of course theres the repeater guy who always gives you a signal report as if he is hearing you direct, the one who tells you how you are coming in strong to be so far away, try telling someone how well they are making it into the repeater when there is a repeater involved. I am sure i will think of more...
ka0gkt
08-10-2006, 06:02 AM
Hmmm --.- ... .-.. ..--.. Is quite proper in Morse Code, I still question the use of "Q" prosigns at all when operating Phone.
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
In other threads, K9STH has given a complete historical background on how the use of the word "handle" came into being when referring to a person's name and how it made its way from cowboys of the old west into amateur radio, but I have a name, not a handle not a personal or anything else along those lines.
No offense Glen, but I guess I am just not as much into the preservation of historical terms as are you.
Scott NØIU
KC2PFV
08-10-2006, 06:37 AM
All you guys who hate when people say QSL? or anything else like that must also hate it when people use 73, 'eh?
-KC2PFV
kf6rdn
08-10-2006, 06:49 AM
I have to second the "we". I see it on ebay, where one person is trying to act like some big assed company.
Sorry, but we don't do shipping to, blah blah send a check to us.
What's this "we" and "us" it's some dude in his garage.
Anyway I digress, it sounds even sillier in a personal 1-1 conversation on a radio.
Destinated.
hi hi
I seem to be unique in this, but I hate what I call "babble extenders". People are long winded enough, they link a run on monologue with a series of "and duhhhh"'s, "Then I uhhhhh", "or ummmm" ad infinitummmmmmmmm.
KG6YTZ
08-10-2006, 06:53 AM
Well, I guess my pet annoyance is shared by everyone else here: "QSL" DOES NOT MEAN "YES!" #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
kb1ils
08-10-2006, 07:05 AM
There's a guy around here, no names mentioned, who begins most transmissions by saying, "roger, roger that." Doesn't matter if his statement is about to be affirmative, negative, or a complaint of poor reception from the other station.
kc7jty
08-10-2006, 07:05 AM
For me it's:
# # # # # # # #"and with that" before signing off
# # # # # # # #"contact" for break on 2 m
sometimes I'll use my suffix for a break in and it shuts the frequency down.....then someone finally says "I think I doubled with someone".
OH!! I almost forgot, any non standard phonetic, especially the country and city names eg: Japan, Tokyo, Zanzibar for JTZ fooey
n6hcm
08-10-2006, 09:22 AM
Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ Aug. 09 2006,21:33)]Nothing bother me other then cussing or sexual humor on a g rated band.
i thought they were all G-rated (except maybe for CBS on Superbowl Sunday :>)
KI4NGN
08-10-2006, 09:47 AM
I agree with PFV - some don't like using Q phrases on phone but still use 73! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
"My location is", or "QTH is"....who cares, the intent is clear communications.
Some Q signals take on rather broad meanings, but the fact is that they are an amateur radio shorthand that crosses language barriers. I thought it was mighty big of another to excuse DX stations for not accepting "OK" in place of "QSL"....I'm sure those DX stations will rest easier knowing that they are forgiven their inadequate understanding of American english.
Mike, Raleigh
ai4ep
08-10-2006, 10:09 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif folks that do not want you to know of a choice, but rather would prefer you to be a person who does not know of more than one option for a situation...using 2 meter radios as an example -- this dude will attempt to snowball you with great info about one brand of radio, yet ON PURPOSE leave out valuable information about the other brands.
or--- refer you to just one brand of gasoline / fast food / soft drink / vehicle / etc without giving ANY information about choices you have about other comparable products. Sure he / she may not know, but they COULD tell you that they do not know, rather than attempting to mis-lead you into thinking there is not a CHOICE.
FREE ENTERPRISE / competition ...part of what helps keep AMERICA great.
Also...local 2 meter repeaters --some folks do not want YOU to know there are choices on 2 meter repaters they can access. They want YOU to be " nieve " and think that the one you are currently using is the ONLY one in the area capable of hearing your signal. The same principle applies to HF frequencies...just because " so & so " stays on ( insert frequency here ) does not mean that YOU should park your reciever on the same frequency...but they ON PURPOSE do not tell you that there IS a choice...a vfo knob...just like ther is problably more than just one furniture store in your town, more than just one place to get a tv set repaired / replaced...more than just one place to get your vehicle its 3000 mile oil change. Some folks just do not want any one to KNOW there is ( in most cities ) a choice of where to spend YOUR money.
Same thing with religion...some folks do not want you to know there is more than just one ( insert religion ) in your area of the same demonation (*sp). They want you to think there is just ONE church of that religion in your area, and never tell you about the others, in the next city / county / etc.
And of course this can continue into other areas of where an individual / family can and does have CHOICES.
But there are those out there who do NOT want you to know there IS a choice, they wish for you to be " unknowing / illiterate / etc ". They dont want others to tell you of the choices either.
"Q" prosigns.
Thatta-way.
Destinated.
Referring to oneself in the plural. I can count on one hand the number of licensed amateurs who can use the royal we. Unless those two or three people are lurking on this board, I think I can safely say nobody here is qualified. Unless you've got multiple personalities or a mouse in your pocket.
Call me odd, but ... 73. What's wrong with "See ya" or "Nice talking to you"?
I don't have a handle. I'm not a coffee mug or screwdriver. My name is Bob.
Lengthy sign-offs. "This is N3OYA saying 73, off and clear. We're thattaway."
"73s". Excuse me? Best Regardses? Who are you, Gollum?
Am I guilty of some of the above? Hell yes. Doesn't mean I don't try to avoid them.
Sorry for the double post. Stupid computer. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
kd7rto
08-10-2006, 12:36 PM
I'm annoyed by those who make up their own phonetics, usually with country names. People can learn cw, but they cannot master the ITU alphabet?
KA4DPO
08-10-2006, 01:21 PM
Excessive use of Q-signals on phone. Q-signals are meant for CW and just sound ignorant on phone when conditions don't require them.
WA2ZDY
08-10-2006, 01:24 PM
"Destinated" is one of my all time crazy ones. Makes me feel like he became destituted in the brain department.
"Fine business" (I see it mentioned above) is an old old time ham term. "FB" is shorter to send on CW than "ok fine." It has carried over to phone. It is grammatically correct as spoken so I accept that one.
Q signals on phone . . . some have been accepted for so long, like QTH. But others, yeah. I like how the freebanders decided "QSK" means "break in" (it does - on CW) and have brought it, in its perverted form, to the ham bands and use it to 'break in' to other conversations.
Those of you who've seen SpongeBob SquarePants on TV might be able to relate to this. I hear someone on a frequency, usually a 2m repeater, calling "QSK QSK" frantically trying to get in. I picture Plankton squeaking away in the background, unheard by nearly everyone. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. (I have little kids, what can I say?!)
Someone saying "HI HI". Was meant for CW where the characters sound like a giggle/laugh.
Base Station
73
George
K3UD
Quote[/b] (ka0gkt @ Aug. 10 2006,01:02)]Hmmm --.- ... .-.. ..--.. Is quite proper in Morse Code, I still question the use of "Q" prosigns at all when operating Phone.
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
Right, Q codes are appropriate in morse, but not on phone.
Just to be clear, I was talking about phone...
Quote[/b] (kd7rto @ Aug. 10 2006,07:36)]I'm annoyed by those who make up their own phonetics, usually with country names. #People can learn cw, but they cannot master the ITU alphabet?
There is a valid reason for that. I've found that some phonetics are too short and get muddled up because of bad propagation conditions or QRM therefore you have to use longer ones.
I use non-standard phonetics also, but only when the situation might require it. If I realize the receiving station just can't get it, for whatever reason, I might say "Norway Three Ocean Yokohama America" twice. Usually does the trick.
Another thing that irks me is the lack of identification at the end of a contact. This is especially prevalent in the rapid-fire world of DXing and contests. Isn't it part of the rules is to identify your station at the end of each communication?
Some might say that the rapid-fire nature of those communications precludes this nit-pick. I say the Rules is the Rules. Besides, how much extra time does it take?
"This is KH8SI, who's next?" [Note the lack of "Q-R-Zed"! If you think about it, "Who's next?" takes one less syllable than "Q-R-Zed".]
"November Three Oscar Yankee Alpha."
"N3OYA, five nine."
"Thanks! You're five nine also. Good luck! N3OYA."
"Thanks, this is KH8SI, go."
Not that much to it, is there? It's rules-compliant, takes precious little time.
(And I had no wish to pick on KH8SI; it just occurred to me as a DX callsign also regulated by FCC.)
"The PERSONAL here is xxxxxx...." and "The WORKING CONDITIONS here is a Yaesu." If you say these terms you are immediately pegged as a CB'er, since that's where they originated. Oh, and one more, "SEVENTY THIRDS to ya."
ab8ma
08-10-2006, 03:58 PM
I like the 30 minute monologues containing nothing but an operator saying hello to his radio. Or sometimes just HOLA!
I use non standard phonetics to have fun, isnt that what this should be about also?
73sssssssssssssssssss YALL
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
W0UZR
08-10-2006, 04:32 PM
Mine is QSL this And QSL that.
And what would be worse for me is 5/9. I say to him, "What am I coming in at? A 5 or a 9?" Then he says " Bring that back, I couldn't make that one out"
Lets GET RID OF THIS 5/9 BULL !!!!
W0UZR
08-10-2006, 04:36 PM
Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ Aug. 10 2006,10:08)]I use non standard phonetics to have fun, isnt that what this should be about also?
73sssssssssssssssssss YALL
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Next topic, we should have what annoys us the most about peoples posts..........
KF0RT
08-10-2006, 04:38 PM
Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Aug. 09 2006,21:55)]Which "radioese" words and phrases do you hate the worst?
There are two that annoy me but don't bother me. I just find them silly and they are:
"Roger" after every over.
"QSL" after every over.
What radioese words/phrases don't you like?
Using "over" as a noun.
73, Rob
Quote[/b] (w0uzr @ Aug. 10 2006,12:32)]Mine is QSL this And QSL that.
# # # # And what would be worse for me is #5/9. #I say to him, #"What am I coming in at? #A 5 #or a #9?" #Then he says " Bring that back, I couldn't make that one out"
# # #Lets GET RID OF THIS #5/9 BULL !!!!
"BRING THAT BACK" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif ? Boy, if that isn't a CBer's phrase, I don't know what is - - - 10-4 ?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
My most detested phrase has to be one that so many have already mentioned, the habit of using "HI HI" on phone! If it's funny, just LAUGH, for crying out loud! !!!
73, Jim
W5HTW
08-10-2006, 05:06 PM
Quote[/b] (KC2PFV @ Aug. 09 2006,23:37)]All you guys who hate when people say QSL? or anything else like that must also hate it when people use 73, 'eh?
-KC2PFV
Joe, you got that new antenna up, QSL?
QSL, I got it up and the birds are sitting on it, QSL?
QSL, I have birds on my antenna, too, QSL?
Yeah, QSL, I bet birds are on most of the antennas, QSL?
QSL, I see birds on tv antennas, too, QSL?
QSL, I've seen birds on CB antennas, too, QSL?
QSL, I bet birds land on antennas all over the world, QSL?
QSL, big birds, too, QSL?
Sick yet?
By the way, substitute "10-4" for "QSL" all the way through above, and you see where it came from.
Ed
My pet peeves:
Using "Q" signals in voice modes
Non-standard phonetics in place of the ITU standard ones
Number signals used in voice modes
Stuff like that....Don't have any of that on CW......
I reckon it is why I seldom use ANY voice mode unless I absolutely have to...
WA9SVD
08-11-2006, 12:04 AM
Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Aug. 10 2006,07:07)]Quote[/b] (ka0gkt @ Aug. 10 2006,01:02)]Hmmm --.- ... .-.. ..--.. Is quite proper in Morse Code, I still question the use of "Q" prosigns at all when operating Phone.
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
Right, Q codes are appropriate in morse, but not on phone.
Just to be clear, I was talking about phone...
Then again, "CQ" is tolerated on phone, even though it's a telegraphic "term.. But when's the last time you heard anyone say
"General Call to any station, General call to any station. General call to any station, this is ... W#xxx...?
"
M3KCK
08-11-2006, 12:21 AM
Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ Aug. 10 2006,17:08)]WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Are you in need of a 10-100 Om http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
es 73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK
WA5VQM
08-11-2006, 02:28 AM
"Roger, roger" makes my skin crawl. Sounds CB to me. "Roger" doesn't.
Have no problem with Q signals. Answering "QSL" to mean affirmative seems a bit odd but doesn't bug me.
I prefer standard phonetics but have noticed using "mexico" instead of "mike" works better in pile-ups for some reason.
I don't think I've heard "Destinated". Is this something from 75 meters? Sounds ignorant.
Mark
KE5FRF
08-11-2006, 02:47 AM
I have my pet peeves too, but I honestly try not to let them bug me. There are bigger fish to fry.
Yes, I hear QSL? all the time on phone, and I think it sounds really, really, silly. Yes, I think it is probably the CBer trying to come out when someone says that, because it is just natural for them to say 10-fer, fo-rogee, rogee-dogee, or something like that, but resist using 10 codes and subsitute them with Q signals.
Yes, I hear destinated by a few people. Not sure where that one came from, CB? Never heard it before until I got my ham license. It really doesn't bother me that much, but I do hear it, and yes, it sounds silly but I'm not going to have a cow over that one.
I don't think it is particularly neccessary that any kind of standard phonetics be a hard and fast trule. Yes, it is certainly desireable that someone learn the internationally accepted phonetics...but we aren't professionals here, we are radio amateurs, and it is extremely rare that anything we transmit is of such vital urgence that there has to be any special proticols, IMHO. So, if I am speaking to a Spanish speaking ham with only a weak grasp of English, I might substitute a standard phonetic with something else if I think it will help get the point across. And actually I like "funny phonetics" when chatting with a local on 2 meters or even a stateside QSO on HF. It adds color to a chat....We sometimes take ourselves too seriously as hams.
But again, nothing angers me, or truly bothers me. It isn't worth getting worked up over.
ke4pjw
08-11-2006, 03:31 AM
Quote[/b] (KB3LIX @ Aug. 09 2006,16:01)]And, just who comprises this 'WE' ??
Everything is "WE"
WE did this, or WE did that
No one speaks in the first person except me.
I did this, or I did that....
Silliness !!!
I'm guilty, guilty, GUILTY of this. It's not a radio thing either. We don't know where it comes from http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
kf6rdn
08-11-2006, 04:43 AM
Quote[/b] (ke4pjw @ Aug. 10 2006,19:31)]Quote[/b] (KB3LIX @ Aug. 09 2006,16:01)]And, just who comprises this 'WE' ??
Everything is "WE"
WE did this, or WE did that
No one speaks in the first person except me.
I did this, or I did that....
Silliness !!!
I'm guilty, guilty, GUILTY of this. It's not a radio thing either. We don't know where it comes from #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Your worms told you to.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
K6BBC
08-11-2006, 04:50 AM
BYE-GOLLY - I HATE IT.
K6BBC
VE7NOT
08-11-2006, 04:54 AM
I say 'we' all the time. Only half of the time is someone else there.
But that 2m.
On hf I talk like the rest. The q-codes you all hate and hihi and that stuff. Who cares. If you can;t have fun wityh you hobby the door out is appealing no doubt.
Beside at least here in the pnw/island area we are more laid back. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
KC9HJX
08-11-2006, 05:13 AM
" - BYE GOLLY - I HATE IT.
K6BBC - "
Oh god. We have a ham up here that says that almost at the end of each transmission. My god is it annoying. But I think it's "By Golly", but whatever, it sounds wierd as hell.
WA9SVD
08-11-2006, 05:29 AM
Just a comment:
"Roger" isn't a "CBism." It comes from military communications protocol (LONG, long before there was a Class D Citizen's Band) and is still standard usage in MARS nets.
KI4NGN
08-11-2006, 09:55 AM
Quote[/b] ]And what would be worse for me is #5/9. #I say to him, #"What am I coming in at? #A 5 #or a #9?" #Then he says " Bring that back, I couldn't make that one out"
"A 5 or a 9?" You do know that this is a readability/signal strength report?
I have often given a 5-8, 5-9 RS report and then had some QSB, QRN, or QRM affect the next reception. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Mike, Raleigh NC
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ Aug. 11 2006,00:29)]Just a comment:
"Roger" isn't a "CBism." It comes from military communications protocol (LONG, long before there was a Class D Citizen's Band) and is still standard usage in MARS nets.
That this is a peeve has me puzzled, too.
"Roger" means, basically, "QSL". "All received", in other words.
Those amateurs not versed in the terse, brisk military world of prosigns should take a peek at the procedure some time. It's made for brutally short information transfer.
I can understand not liking "roger roger". It is, after all, redundant.
"Over and out" is another annoyance brought on by fiction. You can be one, not the other.
kb2vxa
08-11-2006, 12:09 PM
10-4 good buddies,
Sometimes what gets me isn't what's said but who's saying it. For example there's this OT (or OF if you prefer) who will read you the riot act for saying Q signals, 73s and the usual aggrivating stuff, then sign off saying he's "destinated". EH? I guess clueless is the word, or maybe in his case Q less.
Q, the "quality" of a tuned (cranial) circuit.
Oh M3 Andrew, one in need of a 10-100 is considered anal by American standards, American Standard being a brand of a certain plumbing fixture. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
WA5VQM
08-11-2006, 04:28 PM
Just to clarify: "Roger" makes sense, I use it myself. It's "roger, roger" that makes me nuts. Hey, we all have our quirks! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
W0UZR
08-13-2006, 02:23 PM
Have you heard anyone say #
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #"Roger #Wilco"
all the time. #That drives me banannas
W0LPQ
08-13-2006, 02:54 PM
That was a WW-II aviation term.
Bill, W0LPQ
KF0RT
08-13-2006, 03:16 PM
There is a local ham here who has "CB inflections" in his voice. Bugs the heck out of me, even though he doesn't use a lot of CB terminology. It's almost like he's going out of his way to sound dumb.
One of these days, I hope to meet him -- just to see if he talks that way in person.
73, Rob
K7KBN
08-13-2006, 03:52 PM
How about them Standard Phonetics?? (http://www.panix.com/~vr/alphabet.html)
Quote[/b] (w0uzr @ Aug. 13 2006,09:23)]Have you heard anyone say
"Roger Wilco"
all the time. That drives me banannas
Nothing wrong with using those two prosigns together. After all, "Roger" means, "I heard you." "Wilco" means "I will comply."
Of course, if you didn't ask the fella who said "Roger, wilco" to do anything, there's nothing for him to comply with, which is stupid. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ka0gkt
08-14-2006, 03:29 AM
Quote[/b] (w0uzr @ Aug. 13 2006,07:23)]Have you heard anyone say #
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #"Roger #Wilco"
all the time. #That drives me banannas
The letter R (-.-) was used to acknowlege the receipt of a message. The move from "R" to Roger on phone isn't a big streach. The Wilco part of things simply is vocal shorthand for Will Comply...So...
"Roger Wilco" means "Message received, Will Comply".
It's sort of the Airdale's version of Aye Aye, Sir! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
k4kyv
08-14-2006, 05:04 AM
Quote[/b] (KC9HJX @ Aug. 09 2006,22:14)]Here's what I don't like:
HI-HI (On voice?)
Worse still, pronouncing it "aitch-eye."
k0cmh
08-14-2006, 12:51 PM
Being an old radio op in the army (early 1970s), Backthen we used "Roger" to mean " I received your message, I understand it, and I will comply with any order or request". If I would hav used "wilco" on the army nets, I would have gotten a chewing out.
K7KBN
08-14-2006, 02:12 PM
KAØGKT -- QSD QJA2 (see ACP-131)
(Check your keying; you seem to have dits and dahs confused in your last post...)
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Also, thinking back to Navy RM"A" School..."wilco" was a grave NO-NO for a radioman to say on the air. The only one who could use that "word" was the Captain. Not the XO nor the OOD. Using the term "Wilco" obligated the ship, squadron or command to follow through with whatever the "wilco" referred to, and the Captain might have other plans...
W0UZR
08-14-2006, 11:13 PM
Thanks for all the info on "Wilco"
My nephew made it into the armed forces. The only one that got in.
Me and my brother couldn't get in. They wouldn't take me because at the time, they didn't accept people in the army with a history of foot problems. I tried the Air Force too, and they had the same restrictions. And believe it or not, they didn't take my brother because he was about to get married.
!!!??
I was just talking to him last week and we were talking about that and I said that people were getting in the army all the time with pregnant girl friends and getting married. I guess that is now days that they aren't concerned about that, but in the early 60's, they didn't accept people that were getting married to pregnant girl friends. Anyhow it didn't make much sense to me.
Quote[/b] ]But when's the last time you heard anyone say
"General Call to any station, General call to any station. General call to any station, this is ... W#xxx...?
I have heard "Appel General" called by some "F" prefixes and some "VE2"s as well.
W5HTW
08-15-2006, 12:15 AM
Quote[/b] (W0LPQ @ Aug. 13 2006,07:54)]That was a WW-II aviation term.
Bill, W0LPQ
Roger, Wilco, over and out, ten four?
From the book John Wayne Meets Convoy
Ed
ai4ep
08-15-2006, 12:22 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif " John Wayne meets Convoy " ??
sounds like something similar to " Bruce Lee vs Cave Man "
or
" Wars the FRENCH have won "
or
" 10 different ways men listen to women "
or
( nope, cant print THAT one !!) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
w6vps
08-15-2006, 05:09 AM
Here's one which I believe you've all missed.
Using the word "there" throughout the transmission.
Begining...middle and end of sentences. Drives me to distraction.
Paul/W6VPS
W2LYS
08-15-2006, 03:17 PM
I don't like the anonymous idiot that likes to come up on some of the local repeaters and belch.
I'm not offended by a belch, I can let out a good one with the best of 'em, but my time in ham radio has taught me that it isn't right to just key up anonymously and let one fly.
I do remember one night one of our local hams was doing a code practice net and accidently let one go while sending code... that was unintentional, and I razzed him a bit...
ab9lz
08-15-2006, 07:08 PM
Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Aug. 10 2006,07:09)]Quote[/b] (kd7rto @ Aug. 10 2006,07:36)]I'm annoyed by those who make up their own phonetics, usually with country names. #People can learn cw, but they cannot master the ITU alphabet?
There is a valid reason for that. #I've found that some phonetics are too short and get muddled up because of bad propagation conditions or QRM therefore you have to use longer ones.
I stopped using Mike Alpha Romeo Kilo when everyone started calling me Mike... Mexico Alpha Romeo Kilo seemed to eliminate the confusion.
73 Mark.
n0nwo
08-15-2006, 11:30 PM
a couple of local hams here say "catch ya later down the log" when signing off. it drives me nuts.
I don't know if it bugs me or not when people use 73 on phone but I refuse to. I hear on the repeater a guy talk to his wife and always uses 88's or 73 and 88's. I wonder if they ever say "I love you" in person?
The royal WE drives me crazy!!!
One guy locally refers to his home as his QTH. "I'll be at my QTH in about five minutes". Does not seem to know where ever he is, IS his QTH.
Roger, qsl used like 10:4 good buddy.
The one thing that is commonly mentioned on this thread that does not bother me is "destinated"
k4kyv
08-16-2006, 01:08 AM
Quote[/b] (w6vps @ Aug. 14 2006,22:09)]Here's one which I believe you've all missed.
Using the word "there" throughout the transmission.
Begining...middle and end of sentences. Drives me to distraction.
Paul/W6VPS
Classic CB-ese
Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Aug. 13 2006,08:16)]There is a local ham here who has "CB inflections" in his voice. Bugs the heck out of me, even though he doesn't use a lot of CB terminology. It's almost like he's going out of his way to sound dumb.
One of these days, I hope to meet him -- just to see if he talks that way in person.
I have noticed that too. Almost like an accent. Not necessarily CB lingo, but just the mannerisms of speaking, that has "CB" written all over it.
Quote[/b] (k2xt @ Aug. 10 2006,08:54)]...and "The WORKING CONDITIONS here is a Yaesu." If you say these terms you are immediately pegged as a CB'er, since that's where they originated.
Actually, I don't think that is CB-ese. The first time I heard it was back in the 60's when I was operating from an overseas location. I would hear French-speaking hams use the term "Les conditions de travail..." which is exactly what that means. Never heard it used in English, though, and certainly never on CB.
kf4vgx
08-16-2006, 01:22 AM
Hate radio http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif. None in the least .
Amateurs kill the hobby ,not the radio http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif !
kf4vgx
08-16-2006, 01:28 AM
Quote[/b] (n0nwo @ Aug. 14 2006,17:30)]a couple of local hams here say "catch ya later down the log" when signing off. # it drives me nuts. #
I don't know if it bugs me or not when #people use 73 on phone but I refuse to. #I hear on the repeater a guy talk to his wife and always uses 88's or 73 and 88's. #I wonder if they ever say "I love you" in person?
The royal WE drives me crazy!!!
One guy locally refers to his home as his QTH. #"I'll be at my QTH in about five minutes". #Does not seem to know where ever he is, IS his QTH.
Roger, qsl #used like 10:4 good buddy.
The one thing that is commonly mentioned on this thread that does not bother me is "destinated"
One of the finer post I have read ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ka0gkt
08-19-2006, 04:22 AM
Quote[/b] (k7kbn @ Aug. 14 2006,07:12)]KAØGKT -- #QSD QJA2 (see ACP-131)
(Check your keying; you seem to have dits and dahs confused in your last post...)
-------------------------------------------
Also, thinking back to Navy RM"A" School..."wilco" was a grave NO-NO for a radioman to say on the air. #The only one who could use that "word" was the Captain. #Not the XO nor the OOD. #Using the term "Wilco" obligated the ship, squadron or command to follow through with whatever the "wilco" referred to, and the Captain might have other plans...
Dyslexia Strikes Again!
Since the pilot, often is the commander and radio operator of the aircraft, the radio operator can indeed say "Wilco".
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
I began SWLing in the 1950s. A lot of this goes way back.
The use of "we" I believe is based on the operator AND his station. So, "we worked a XXXX station last night."
In the 1950s, television interference was a major problem. It was referred to as "TVI", but on AM phone, so that the TV watcher intercepting the signal would not know what exactly was being discussed, it was called an attack of the "Tennessee Valley Indians".
And some of the jargon was odd. Going to bed was "going to horizontal polarization and modulating the pillow". Children were "harmonics". Grand children were "third harmonics". ( Often wonder if illegitimate children were ever called "spurs")
Going off the air for the day was "pulling the big switch".
Married women were XYLs, and unmarried women were YLs. Men, whether married or not, were OMs
A bottle of beer was an 807, as an 807 tube somewhat resembled a beer bottle in size and shape.
Much of the jargon used today is carried over from CB radio and police/public service radio. There were no 10 codes on old time amateur radio. And terms like "destinated" were never used.
I have often wondered about the following:
Can a no code tech who dies be a "silent key"? It seems to me that "unmodulated mike" would be more appropriate.
KC9HJX
08-19-2006, 10:49 PM
Quote[/b] (NN4RH @ Aug. 19 2006,06:46)]I heard a new one yesterday.
A guy on one of the repeaters asked another, "So what's your Q-20?"
Q-20?
I always ask people who say things like that (amongst 'destinated', 'we', 'Seventy Thirds', 'hihi' [on voice] ) and etc what exactly that means and if they think it's an actual term or word.
Most of the time you would never get an answer.
WA5VQM
08-20-2006, 02:26 AM
I can't stand the guys (usually on 75) that sound like the guy in Sling Blade. "Uh, huh. Gonna git me sum taters an uh 807 so sevumty-thirds an see ya'll later on down the log. W5XYZ pulling that ol' big switch, uh, huh."
KG6YTZ
08-20-2006, 08:03 AM
Quote[/b] (k1xv @ Aug. 19 2006,15:26)]Going to bed was "going to horizontal polarization and modulating the pillow".
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif On a couple of occasions, for humor purposes only, I've said "switching the control operator to horizontal polarization." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
NN4RH: Q-20? There's one I've never heard [and hope I never do hear]...
kb2vxa
08-20-2006, 12:55 PM
Hi again,
Just to elaborate on the Q code debacle, last night a PSK op was read as saying such things as "my QTH is locared at" and "since I moved my QTH" which brings to mind certain questions. I was left wondering what he considered a QTH to be and how he managed to move it. Uh, was this an episode of The Twilight Zone where aliens transported a whole town to another planet leaving a big hole in the ground? Then again changing QTHs doesn't make sense either but nobody ever said CW should conform to the rules of English, only phone and text.
"I like the 30 minute monologues containing nothing but an operator saying hello to his radio. Or sometimes just HOLA!"
(Hola hola canal bente do, e'to e' la cucaracha de la Caribe...)
This reminds me of a certain someone on 3885 YEA EM who used to drone on and on "Yealo, yealo radio, yeaaaaaaaaaaaloooooo, yea yea yea YEAAAAAALOOOOO! (belch) Yealo, yealo..." and make comments about "hyellowy sounding telephonium audio". Does the callsign WA1 H YELL R sound familiar? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Oh and who is this Roger Wilco guy? Was he the colonel in that Sargeant Bilko TV show or the half brother of Roger Dodger son of Duck Dodgers in the 24th and a half century? This Roger Roger Buck (beaty beaty beaty) makes me think of John Smallberries and the Red Lectroids in Buckaroo Banzai and something about the eighth demention. (Spelling pun intentional.)
As for my operating conditions, OSHA pretty much took care of them. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Oh BTW, a friend of mine occasionally addresses me as "Yealo Squalo" just for fun, he got a kick out of Timmy's antics too. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I see it's been mentioned already but its the "best of 73's " that i hear , even on cw, that is redundancy at it's best. "73 " in its self means best regards and can't be made plural by adding an s.
Saying " best 73's" = best best regardses' http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
I seem to be in a quandry regarding "best 73's".
On the one hand, we know "73" means "best regards". I for one loathe "73's" or "best 73". In the first place, "73" cannot possess anything, so drop the apostrophe. Even if you do that, it's still "regardses". My precious. And if you add "best," it becomes "best best regardses."
But do we know? Where's the proof? Common knowledge does not necessarily equal documentation! Anyway...
On the other, there is quite a bit of evidence pointing to the hams of yore using "best 73s" - I was browsing through
The Ham Gallery QSL Museum (http://hamgallery.com/qsl/) yesterday, with a view to making replicas of antique QSLs on my color laser. Guess what I found? Here's an example:
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/Antique/USA/California/6awt.jpg
And that's one of many, all from 1920-1940. "73s" seems to have been fairly common usage from these indicators.
Hmmmmm....
N0KLT
08-21-2006, 09:16 PM
OYA
All that proves is there were ignorant people that misused things even back then. Just because they were using 73s or 73's or best whathever form of it you wish way back then doesn't make it correct. All it does is document misuse from a long time ago.
KC9HZJ
08-22-2006, 02:44 AM
QUOTE:
Can a no code tech who dies be a "silent key"? It seems to me that "unmodulated mike" would be more appropriate.
QSL, QSL... We think that's quite funny, QSL?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (N0KLT @ Aug. 21 2006,16:16)]OYA
All that proves is there were ignorant people that misused things even back then. Just because they were using 73s or 73's or best whathever form of it you wish way back then doesn't make it correct. All it does is document misuse from a long time ago.
Not necessarily. The overwhelming majority of the cards I examined had the "error." Those without the "error" lacked any sort of closing at all. Granted, I have not conducted an exhaustive examination of cards from that era, nor have I interviewed any living amateurs from that era.
Still, speaking as a student of history whose university education was in that field, such data gives me pause. It is as though I am presented with archaeological data that contradicts commonly-held knowledge.
For example, until recently it was held that peasants in 15th-century England wore dull earth tones. It is logical, after all, because dyestuffs were prohibitively expensive. On the contrary, the archaeological record indicates that all castes wore brightly-colored clothing, from king to pauper. Moreover, pictorial evidence from the period supports the archaeological record.
We may know that "73" means "best/warmest regards," but we must also admit that our evidence may be urban legend or otherwise apocryphal, because we weren't there in the genesis of Morse code shorthand. All we have is the stories. If primary or secondary evidence exists - like amateurs who were active in the period or documentary evidence like QSL cards - it calls into question our "common knowledge."
For the record, I think that "73" means "best/warmest regards" today, regardless what it meant in the 1920s. Common practice today is what counts. And that opens a whole new can of semantic worms, because what defines common practice? Common practice. And it seems that common practice is "73s" or some variant thereof. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Can you tell I'm bored at work? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
WA9SVD
08-22-2006, 09:08 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9HZJ @ Aug. 21 2006,19:44)]QUOTE:
Can a no code tech who dies be a "silent key"? It seems to me that "unmodulated mike" would be more appropriate.
QSL, QSL... We think that's quite funny, QSL?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Wouldn't "Dead Mic" be more descriptive? (Or morbid, as the case may be.)
BTW, laugh in CW is "HI" Last tiime I used that it was in response to a YL requesting a jump. When I asked "How high?" in mid air, she replied "I'll let you know." I'm still waiting for an answer... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KC8ZII
08-23-2006, 01:06 AM
Is there any reason that "Best 73's", particularly when on a QSL, couldn't mean that "I wish you to have the best QSO's that end in 73", where the plural is on how many 73's they wish you to copy?
73
WA4NPL
08-23-2006, 01:38 AM
What if everybody started replying,
" That's funny, low low " in response to "hi hi".....
Think they would catch on http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
N0KLT
08-23-2006, 03:11 PM
Quote[/b] (WA4NPL @ Aug. 22 2006,19:38)]What if everybody started replying,
" That's funny, low low " in response to "hi hi".....
Think they would catch on http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
Is this an example of 'low' brow humor?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
KD5ZER
08-24-2006, 05:39 AM
Quote[/b] (WA5VQM @ Aug. 19 2006,19:26)]I can't stand the guys (usually on 75) that sound like the guy in Sling Blade. "Uh, huh. Gonna git me sum taters an uh 807 so sevumty-thirds an see ya'll later on down the log. W5XYZ pulling that ol' big switch, uh, huh."
Callsign: W5XYZ Class: Extra Codes: HVIE USA
Name: ROBERT D BROWN
Addr1: 8115 STORIE RD
Addr2: ARLINGTON, TX 76001
Country: USA
Effective: 08 Apr 1997 Expires: 08 Apr 2007
FCC: ULS Listing
Lookups: 168
Is this the guy you're talking about. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
73
KD5ZER
K7KBN
08-25-2006, 08:40 PM
Quote[/b] (N0KLT @ Aug. 23 2006,07:11)]Quote[/b] (WA4NPL @ Aug. 22 2006,19:38)]What if everybody started replying,
" That's funny, low low " in response to "hi hi".....
Think they would catch on http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
Is this an example of 'low' brow humor?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Mmmmmm! #Lowenbrau and a Good Humor....
AA0CX
08-25-2006, 08:55 PM
Good Grief! It has to be the halfwits who insist on saying "hi, hi" on phone (what's wrong with a laugh now and then), or "QSL," or as several others have noted, people saying they're "destinated."
I still use "73" on phone. Okay, maybe I'm a halfwit myself... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
w5klb
08-25-2006, 08:56 PM
Quote[/b] (KC2PFV @ Aug. 09 2006,23:37)]All you guys who hate when people say QSL? or anything else like that must also hate it when people use 73, 'eh?
-KC2PFV
Riiiight.
Why don't you use "tain-fer" instead?
QSL, or a "QSL Card", is the confirmation of a radio contact or QSO between two amateurs.
Using "QSL" as an answer in the affirmative is improper and it shows poor operating skills by the user(s) which denote a LID.
I use "Seven-Three" (best regards) not "Seventy Three's" which looks like "best regardeses". You wouldn't use "best regardeses" in normal coversation so why use it on the Amateur Bands? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
How many unpleasantries can you put into one QSO? "Breaker on the repeater good buddy. Got you a 9 pounder here ..have to turn the house to get a ten pounder now...sebenty thirds now and catch you on the flip side and mobile easy this here is kazoo five whiskey tobacco saliva gone ten seben, QSL?"
W5HTW
08-27-2006, 01:26 AM
Quote[/b] (AA0CX @ Aug. 25 2006,13:55)]Good Grief! It has to be the halfwits who insist on saying "hi, hi" on phone (what's wrong with a laugh now and then), or "QSL," or as several others have noted, people saying they're "destinated."
I still use "73" on phone. Okay, maybe I'm a halfwit myself... :p
"Back in the day" of AM, if you actually laughed at something someone said, chances are he was still talking and had not turned it over to you. Your laugh would be heard by the mouse in your pocket ("we" heard you!) but not by the other guy. So I think when he did turn it over to you, maybe you said "hi hi" as a sort of acknowledgement that what he had said, five minutes ago, was funny.
As SSB began to really take hold, in the late 50s and early 60s, that "hi hi" seemed less appropriate, at least to me, thanks to VOX. We (me and the mouse) just laughed.
Not sure why it came back into vogue. But it is not nearly as commonplace as it was in the early 50s during the heyday of AM.
On CW, I think it is kind of like the quick oneliner you say in front of your buddy, and to be sure he caught it, you nudge him with your elbow. You say 'HI HI" to tell the other guy 'Hey, I did a cutie. Laugh."
Or maybe, it just all goes with the sunspot cycle!
Ed
ke6jjr
08-27-2006, 01:29 AM
I rarely operate phone, but I would say any "CBisms" are just wrong. If you've taken the extra effort to become a ham operator, leave all that garbage at the doorstep. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Quote[/b] (KC9HZJ @ Aug. 21 2006,21:44)]QUOTE:
Can a no code tech who dies be a "silent key"? #It seems to me that "unmodulated mike" would be more appropriate.
QSL, QSL... We think that's quite funny, QSL?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
What about "keying" up the mic?
or "keying" up the repeater?
Seems as though those terms have stuck from the days of CW only.
KC5SAS
08-27-2006, 02:46 AM
Quote[/b] (k1xv @ Aug. 19 2006,15:26)]I have often wondered about the following:
Can a no code tech who dies be a "silent key"? #It seems to me that "unmodulated mike" would be more appropriate.
The term commonly used is "Silent Mike". In fact, the REACT International bimonthly publication, The Reacter, regularly runs Silent Mike announcements. For example, check out the most recent issue at- http://www.reactintl.org/Reacter/full/2006_july-aug.pdf . Three Silent Mikes in this issue.
KC5SAS
08-27-2006, 02:55 AM
Quote[/b] (n0nwo @ Aug. 15 2006,16:30)]#I hear on the repeater a guy talk to his wife and always uses 88's or 73 and 88's. #I wonder if they ever say "I love you" in person?.......
............The one thing that is commonly mentioned on this thread that does not bother me is "destinated"
I never use 88's. My YL and I are both NCTs and havn't picked up the habit of using Q signals or other HFisms heard from others. In place of 88s we use "Fishlips" and "Fishlips forever". KE5FRF can verify that. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
As for "destinated", I agree. It's so commonly used around here that few people ever say anything about it being improper.