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wa4ilh
08-09-2006, 01:24 PM
Why would an Amateur Extra class ham talk with other ham operators (two General class and one Tech plus) on CB Freeband (sic) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif I don't get it........ Some kind of "outlaw" appeal?
Tom WA4ILH
If the FCC was into enforcement and could identify the hams doing it, they would probably lose their license and have to pay a large fine. If you know who they are, yoou might want to send the info to Riley Hollingsworth.
73
George
K3UD
kf4lne
08-09-2006, 01:35 PM
80 meter band wasnt open today and they were homesick?
ai4ep
08-09-2006, 01:43 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif (gasp )
an EXTRA and 2 GENERALS ?? !!
Are these folks friends of yours ?
Did they use their amateur callsigns as identification, or a " nckname / handle / unit # " ?
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methinkg some amateurs on Hf dont want to give an exact location as to where they are... recvently I heard a local amateur ( within 30 air miles of me ) give a location ( no he was NOT mobile, but operating from his home ) of living some 50 - 60 miles from where he actually was...same USA state, but he obviously did not want folks to know where he actually was transmitting from ( this was on a legal hf frequency )...? Why the secretsy (*sp) ? Why attempt to hide your real location ? Are you THAT ashamed to tell others where you really are at ?
But I guess I am barking up the wrong tree...this dude dont even have a computer, so he will never see this post ( aint he lucky ? )...but my question still is there...why blantantly lie about your location to folks you talk to every day ?
------------------------but back to the topic of this thread...maybe you should contact IN PERSON these " offending folks " and let them know that you heard them transmitting where they should not be ( in a nice / polite way )...and they may mend their EVIL ways and talk on legal amateur hf frequencies.
Be nice to them.
Unless of course you are angry at one or more of them and want revenge. ?
w8cbc
08-09-2006, 02:14 PM
While there's another one of these CB/freeband threads going - could someone explain to me what the three-digit number IDs are about? I hear some of these high-power dudes using them. Are they another affectation?
kf4lne
08-09-2006, 02:26 PM
The 3 digit numbers work like the RST system. The first digit is how many beers they had before 9AM, the second digit is the quality of the beer and third digit is how many beers they have had since. Example: 693, 6 beers before 9AM, 9 is a good quality beer and they have had 3 more since 9AM
ve2nsm
08-09-2006, 02:41 PM
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Aug. 09 2006,10:14)]While there's another one of these CB/freeband threads going - could someone explain to me what the three-digit number IDs are about? I hear some of these high-power dudes using them. Are they another affectation?
Usually the official (if there's such a thing on freeband) call sign should comprise from one to three numbers for the prefix which is related to the country, then from one to three letters for the club that issued the call sign, and then a sequential number identifying the club member.
The latter two (club and club member number) are very often "forged" or invented by the operator. The coutry prefix is quite respected though.
My call is from the club "CFDX" from Quebec, now dissolved, and is 9CF412, obviously it's now 9CF412/37 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
You can have the list of prefixes here. (http://www.alfatango.org/portal/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=38)
The "AT" club is the most popular and the most knowned freeband club in the world, most of the other clubs align to it now. At the beginning there was different clubs with different prefix lists, you imagine the mess http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
VE7NOT
08-09-2006, 02:47 PM
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Aug. 09 2006,07:14)]While there's another one of these CB/freeband threads going - could someone explain to me what the three-digit number IDs are about? I hear some of these high-power dudes using them. Are they another affectation?
Or here (http://www.rsndxgroup.org/rsn/)
KI4NGN
08-09-2006, 02:48 PM
Why is there a presumption that the ops communicating on CB were doing so illegally? Was there something I missed in the originator's first post?
Mike, Raleigh NC
K6BTM
08-09-2006, 02:54 PM
Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Aug. 09 2006,07:48)]Was there something I missed in the originator's first post?
Mike, Raleigh NC
Yup. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Topic: Hams on CB Freeband (sic), Why?
Edit ADD: CB Freeband explained (http://tinyurl.com/rco9l)
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Quote[/b] (kf4lne @ Aug. 09 2006,06:35)]80 meter band wasnt open today and they were homesick?
That would be my guess...
wa4ilh
08-09-2006, 03:35 PM
Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Aug. 09 2006,07:48)]Why is there a presumption that the ops communicating on CB were doing so illegally? Was there something I missed in the originator's first post?
Mike, Raleigh NC
27.585 Mhz is not CB
From the page in the linky:
Quote[/b] ]These freeband frequencies run from 26.000 MHz up to channel 1, 26.965 MHz
And I've heard them as low as 25 MHz...
Quote[/b] ]One main reason is that the legal 40 channels can be so crowded that it is nearly impossible to communicate, even across town!
Horsehockey. That may have been the case 20 years ago but it certainly isn't now. In this (Akron, Ohio) area, there is one (count it) channel which sees any kind of regular usage.
Quote[/b] ]and yet others just get a thrill from simply using frequencies they just aren't supposed to use.
I suppose that crack cocaine addicts would attempt to justify their usage of the stuff in the same fashion...
Quote[/b] ]Another compelling reason for unauthorized frequency operation is that countries other than the US are authorized on frequencies outside the 26.965 to 27.405 MHz US allocation. Some operators enjoy DX contacts with those operating from other countries and find it necessary to transmit out-of-band.
One could always get a ham license and do same...but hey, what do I know?
Quote[/b] ]So how do the "smart" operators avoid problems with the FCC? One way would be not to run excessive power. Another is to keep your conversations civil without profanity or other rudeness. and most importantly, avoid frequencies that are used by legitimate operators such as the ones listed below in this table. Interference to legitimate users will definitely attract the FCC's attention very quickly.
Ah...yeah. Same principle as not racing your drag-pipe-equipped Harley up and down residential streets at 2AM.
Quote[/b] ]Presently CB radio is becoming very popular again!
Don't know what planet/timewarp the author is living on/in, but in these parts all that's left to do is to nail the coffin lid shut on the service. Except when there's any kind of propagation, one hears zip...zero...nada.
Quote[/b] ]Many radio manufacturers have begun producing new models so we can expect to see even more operators in this tiny slice of radio spectrum.
Most if not all 'CB' (not Export) radio manufacturers have gotten out of the game over the last several years. Just not profitable any longer...
Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 09 2006,08:35)]Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Aug. 09 2006,07:48)]Why is there a presumption that the ops communicating on CB were doing so illegally? Was there something I missed in the originator's first post?
Mike, Raleigh NC
27.585 Mhz is not CB
I didn't see a reference to that frequency in the OP...
wa4ilh
08-09-2006, 03:57 PM
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Aug. 09 2006,08:47)]Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 09 2006,08:35)]Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Aug. 09 2006,07:48)]Why is there a presumption that the ops communicating on CB were doing so illegally? Was there something I missed in the originator's first post?
Mike, Raleigh NC
27.585 Mhz is not CB
I didn't see a reference to that frequency in the OP...
Sorry Mike, ... I incorrectly assumed that readers would understand that I was referring to frequencies not authorized to CB class D operations in the US. Tom WA4ILH
VE7NOT
08-09-2006, 04:02 PM
Actually it is seeing a repopularity. Notthing like it was before the last low on the sunspot cycle. Nowadays though it is more technical. Around here if you don't have a ssb cb you pretty much are not able to communicae with anyone other then the truckers,campers and the few familes.
Truthfully there don't seem to be any more radios being made by say..Realistic. Cherookee hasn'tr had any either and thats sad since they have the record of making the only cb handheld with ssb.
However Cobra (well honered 11m gear) is still making 'cb radios'. I think the original 148gtl (very popular) is still being made. Cobra is also catering to the more dxers on the band with the 200 (there is another thread about this radio)
Galaxy is still popular as they were in the 90s (not all galaxy radios are exports btw)
President has a good looking base station as well as many mobiles.
I know there are others. The Shakespeare antenna company sells alot of marine cb whips.
The Solorcon sells a-99 and imax2000 like wildfire (and admitably they are good on the ham bands but thats another thread too)
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As for cb dying I would have to say yes and no. That is until you drive along I5 coming into seattle. All 40 channels are crammed on the northside I have found. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
KD8BSR:
The country prefix I doubt has any meaning to the 'higher power groups' (we call thenm keydowners) They seem to make up numbers, words and watts as they go http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 09 2006,09:24)]Why would an Amateur Extra class ham talk with other ham operators (two General class and one Tech plus) on CB Freeband (sic) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif I don't get it........ Some kind of "outlaw" appeal?
Tom WA4ILH
We have a problem in my area with CB’ers causing interference to us on 10 and 12 meters. One night while on 10 meters, I began receiving the usual interference, so I switched to AM and the 27MHz band, and began hunting the source. While looking for the source, I located a few very strong signals well below the CB band plan. One of these voices sounded very familiar, so I began making a recording. This guy was running Collins equipment, had very nice sounding audio, and was very strong, but was not the source of my interference. Anyhow, I played the recording to a fellow amateur a few weeks later, and he recognized the voice immediately, and knew exactly whom it was. It’s an Advanced ticket holder from a nearby town. I guess there must be some sort of allure to being an “outlaw”. To each their own.
ve2nsm
08-09-2006, 04:11 PM
Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,12:04)]Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 09 2006,09:24)]Why would an Amateur Extra class ham talk with other ham operators (two General class and one Tech plus) on CB Freeband (sic) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif I don't get it........ Some kind of "outlaw" appeal?
Tom WA4ILH
We have a problem in my area with CB’ers causing interference to us on 10 and 12 meters. One night while on 10 meters, I began receiving the usual interference, so I switched to AM and the 27MHz band, and began hunting the source. While looking for the source, I located a few very strong signals well below the CB band plan. One of these voices sounded very familiar, so I began making a recording. This guy was running Collins equipment, had very nice sounding audio, and was very strong, but was not the source of my interference. Anyhow, I played the recording to a fellow amateur a few weeks later, and he recognized the voice immediately, and knew exactly whom it was. It’s an Advanced ticket holder from a nearby town. I guess there must be some sort of allure to being an “outlaw”. To each their own.
I'm sure you write down the license plate of all the vehicles that pass by you at 70Mph also mmmh?
If you're gonna do something do it right! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
w8znx
08-09-2006, 04:15 PM
Quote[/b] (kf4lne @ Aug. 09 2006,06:35)]80 meter band wasnt open today and they were homesick?
whats with NCT ops
bad mouthing 80 meters
at every opportunity
go play with you ht
come back
with your opinion of 80 meters
after you have spent some time
hanging out between 3500 and 3725 khz
late winter night
home brew mopa warmed up
big holder 3547 rock
glow from the dial of a NC-183D
lighting the desk
cans on head
slaping a 60 year old Vibroplex Lightning Bug
Mac
Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Aug. 09 2006,09:15)]Quote[/b] (kf4lne @ Aug. 09 2006,06:35)]80 meter band wasnt open today and they were homesick?
whats with NCT ops
bad mouthing 80 meters
at every opportunity
Maybe he meant 75 meters? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Aug. 09 2006,12:11)]Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,12:04)]Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 09 2006,09:24)]Why would an Amateur Extra class ham talk with other ham operators (two General class and one Tech plus) on CB Freeband (sic) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif I don't get it........ Some kind of "outlaw" appeal?
Tom WA4ILH
We have a problem in my area with CB’ers causing interference to us on 10 and 12 meters. One night while on 10 meters, I began receiving the usual interference, so I switched to AM and the 27MHz band, and began hunting the source. While looking for the source, I located a few very strong signals well below the CB band plan. One of these voices sounded very familiar, so I began making a recording. This guy was running Collins equipment, had very nice sounding audio, and was very strong, but was not the source of my interference. Anyhow, I played the recording to a fellow amateur a few weeks later, and he recognized the voice immediately, and knew exactly whom it was. It’s an Advanced ticket holder from a nearby town. I guess there must be some sort of allure to being an “outlaw”. To each their own.
I'm sure you write down the license plate of all the vehicles that pass by you at 70Mph also mmmh?
If you're gonna do something do it right! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
He was NOT the source of the interference, so I filed no complaint. If he were the source, yes I would have filed.
Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,09:26)]Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Aug. 09 2006,12:11)]Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,12:04)]Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 09 2006,09:24)]Why would an Amateur Extra class ham talk with other ham operators (two General class and one Tech plus) #on CB Freeband (sic) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #I don't get it........ Some kind of "outlaw" appeal?
Tom WA4ILH
We have a problem in my area with CB’ers causing interference to us on 10 and 12 meters. One night while on 10 meters, I began receiving the usual interference, so I switched to AM and the 27MHz band, and began hunting the source. While looking for the source, I located a few very strong signals well below the CB band plan. One of these voices sounded very familiar, so I began making a recording. This guy was running Collins equipment, had very nice sounding audio, and was very strong, but was not the source of my interference. Anyhow, I played the recording to a fellow amateur a few weeks later, and he recognized the voice immediately, and knew exactly whom it was. It’s an Advanced ticket holder from a nearby town. I guess there must be some sort of allure to being an “outlaw”. To each their own.
I'm sure you write down the license plate of all the vehicles that pass by you at 70Mph also mmmh?
If you're gonna do something do it right! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
He was NOT the source of the interference, so I filed no complaint. If he were the source, yes I would have filed.
There are two distinct freeband 'groups' in this area. Both contain several hams, though I'm not sure of any calls.
No one in either group bothers me in the least when I'm on 10 or 12M.
On the other hand...the local village arse-hats who operate on the legal CB frequencies employ such garbage for equipment that they'll easily splatter into 10M. If anything, they'll turn the output levels of their junkboxes up even higher when asked to remedy the problem.
kf4lne
08-09-2006, 04:38 PM
ok, instead of making undesireable comments about 80 meters in general i will instead make undesireable comments about specfic callsigns heard on 80 meters...
ve2nsm
08-09-2006, 05:14 PM
Quote[/b] (kf4lne @ Aug. 09 2006,12:38)]ok, instead of making undesireable comments about 80 meters in general i will instead make undesireable comments about specfic callsigns heard on 80 meters...
You mean call signs formatted as 00xx000 ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Aug. 09 2006,12:36)]Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,09:26)]Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Aug. 09 2006,12:11)]Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,12:04)]Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 09 2006,09:24)]Why would an Amateur Extra class ham talk with other ham operators (two General class and one Tech plus) on CB Freeband (sic) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif I don't get it........ Some kind of "outlaw" appeal?
Tom WA4ILH
We have a problem in my area with CB’ers causing interference to us on 10 and 12 meters. One night while on 10 meters, I began receiving the usual interference, so I switched to AM and the 27MHz band, and began hunting the source. While looking for the source, I located a few very strong signals well below the CB band plan. One of these voices sounded very familiar, so I began making a recording. This guy was running Collins equipment, had very nice sounding audio, and was very strong, but was not the source of my interference. Anyhow, I played the recording to a fellow amateur a few weeks later, and he recognized the voice immediately, and knew exactly whom it was. It’s an Advanced ticket holder from a nearby town. I guess there must be some sort of allure to being an “outlaw”. To each their own.
I'm sure you write down the license plate of all the vehicles that pass by you at 70Mph also mmmh?
If you're gonna do something do it right! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
He was NOT the source of the interference, so I filed no complaint. If he were the source, yes I would have filed.
There are two distinct freeband 'groups' in this area. Both contain several hams, though I'm not sure of any calls.
No one in either group bothers me in the least when I'm on 10 or 12M.
On the other hand...the local village arse-hats who operate on the legal CB frequencies employ such garbage for equipment that they'll easily splatter into 10M. If anything, they'll turn the output levels of their junkboxes up even higher when asked to remedy the problem.
Know what ya mean.
We've located the "source", and it's being dealt with accordingly.
He's within the CB band plan, but appears to be running power levels in excess of the CB limit.
Quote[/b] (kf4lne @ Aug. 09 2006,09:38)]ok, instead of making undesireable comments about 80 meters in general i will instead make undesireable comments about specfic callsigns heard on 80 meters...
THIS ought to be good! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I know of some people who hang out on freeband b/c their friends are there and they don't want to be viewed as "traitors" who jumped ship to ham radio.
K4KWH
08-09-2006, 06:32 PM
That 26 Meg area is a sore point with some of the people who are *authorized* the use of them by the military and NTIA. #There is a group of them that are LOUD on the East coast. One is called "Godfather" #and he's in Hot Springs, AR (Bee-beepity squeak), another is "Outlaw" in Holly Springs (?), AR and some in Texas, another in "JAW-JUH". and one in Shelby, NC (Central N'awth C'lina, we trying, c'mon).
The authorized group has made recordings and is currently in the process of getting the military authorities AND Laurel, MD involved in going after these guys. Of course, *them thar good ole CBers thar have no idea what is fixing to come down on them, and the group involved is attempting to bring down fire ("far" in southern drawl CB #talk! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ),and brimstone on 'em, and if you told them they would laugh and say...............
"Why, we is spay-shul cuz we'uns was born an got dem spay-shul ra'hts as 'Mer-kin' cit-ee-zens thar".
We is got rah'ts to tawk on them thar channels cuz we is jist soooo cool thar"!
We shall see, we shall see.
I do know the group that is incensed by these non-contributors to the genius and non-gene enhanced pool is
trying to #put the qui-eetus on those ("censored")!
73
kf4lne
08-09-2006, 06:41 PM
Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Aug. 09 2006,05:41)]I know of some people who hang out on freeband b/c their friends are there and they don't want to be viewed as "traitors" who jumped ship to ham radio.
man thats a tough call. Be called a sissy traitor for being legal or risk loosing the license, thinning the wallet and being told never to transmit again...
K4KWH
08-09-2006, 06:55 PM
That 26 Meg area is a sore point with some of the people who are *authorized* the use of them by the military and NTIA. #There is a group of them that are LOUD on the East coast. One is called "Godfather" #and he's in Hot Springs, AR (Bee-beepity squeak), another is "Outlaw" in Holly Springs (?), AR and some in Texas, another in "JAW-JUH". and one in Shelby, NC (Central N'awth C'lina, we trying, c'mon).
The authorized group has made recordings and is currently in the process of getting the military authorities AND Laurel, MD involved in going after these people. Because there is an issue of SAR and lives being lost in a disaster, it is likely the Fed will respond to the request.
Some might say, "Waal, whut are them feller hurting by tawkin' down 'ere".
"We cain't see no harm in using them thar channels".
In the case of a couple of them, they are used as reliever frequencies for #close-in SAR activities and air-ground work. #In an intense disaster or missing persons search, it can get pretty busy depending on how many grids are being searched and how many aircraft and vehicles are involved. #These HF circuits are put to good use as said "reliever" freqs. to assign specific frequencies to mobiles, in particular, out to 40-50 miles.
They also provide a measure of "security" in that many scanners do not decode SSB, and using coded traffic (it would #be used anyway), newshounds won't be poking their mikes under people's faces and showing up where they might interfere with sensitive traffic. IOW, with their FM scanner (granted, some people DO have the more expensive units, but the way the traffic is passed, it would do little good for them). #This way, a mobile search team can be put in a grid some distance away where it can send reports back to the IC on one frequency, another unit can use the same HF channel in another grid, and then still another can be placed on VHF
repeaters--and so on. Careful frequency management makes these resources do a whale of a job of supporting a mission! #And, while, some un-informed people may think, "Why, them fellers don't use them thar channels no more", nothing could be farther from the truth! And now that such protocols as ALE have come to *certain* # agencies, and it's communications resources have changed to meet that need, those "channels" ARE used as communications planners survey their needs and apply these frequencies to the task!
It could get interesting as these groups work to remove these chicken banders from their frequencies.
(sorry, can't divulge the specific frequencies as they, like MARS, frown on the revealing of such info.)
73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ve2nsm
08-09-2006, 07:08 PM
That's why there is very little traffic under 26965, and most of the freebanding operations are carried between 27455 and 28000.
That is for north america of course, but in latin america like here, almost everything is done in the 26MHz segment http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
I for one have always discouraged freebanding between the 12 and 11m bands. Too sensitive.
ai4ep
08-09-2006, 07:40 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif I just tried listening for anything between 26.000 ~~27.000 & from 27.410 ~~28.000 and did not hear any thing...but...it might be too close for dx from my location to even listen to.
Mebbe one of you folks that know the exact frequencies can send it to me via PM, and it wure would be interesting to listen to...along with TIMES of operation, cause I sure would hate to waste my 24 hours a day listening to static when one could hear all the folks talking for 2 hours or less.
I do wonder if those doods have internet capabilities and know you ( and me ) are sitting here talking about them and if they care or not. All this free publicity may get them paranoid of black cars with men in 3 piece suits and sunglasses on riding in their neighborhood and vacate the frequencies.
I have heard of a couple of " local under channel 1 frequencies " in use and might can swap information...but then when I tuned across there a while ago I heard no one ...?
Dern it ...I hate it when folks lie to me, and I hate it even worse when I catch them at it !! :blush:
Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ Aug. 09 2006,11:55)](sorry, can't divulge the specific frequencies as they, like MARS, frown on the revealing of such info.)
But if one knows anything at all about SIGINT, the frequencies are readily identifiable...
WA2ZDY
08-09-2006, 08:30 PM
Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,12:04)]I guess there must be some sort of allure to being an “outlaw”. To each their own.
Oh yes, there certainly is. I worked in the state prison for almost 25 years. Many things got started among the criminal element that have found their way, usually via music and music videos, to the mainstream.
My then 11 year old son who lives with his mother in a mostly well-to-do upper middle class community came to me one day with the greeting "yo dawg, what's poppin?" This is a Bloods gang greeting and that gang dialect is spreading into the middle class rapidly.
I used to see gorgeous women come to the prison on visiting day. One would wonder why these women, who could have any man, would choose badboys. Well, it should be no secret to anyone here that "bad boys" are popular among women.
If you read between the lines you'll realise this relates to the "why do folks use the freeband?" question. It would take psychologists to explain it. Hams have been "going back" to the freeband, once known as "the HFs" for decades.
w7lpn
08-09-2006, 08:39 PM
I've heard them around here surfing the freeband channels trying to locate and report freebanders. You recognize their voices, but they don't I.D. on 27.435 lsb with 200 Watt base unit with mods, just chatting and trying to find some freebanders QTH to report. I don't have that much time on my hands.
wa4ilh
08-09-2006, 09:28 PM
Quote[/b] (w7lpn @ Aug. 09 2006,13:39)]I've heard them around here surfing the freeband channels trying to locate and report freebanders. You recognize their voices, but they don't I.D. on 27.435 lsb with 200 Watt base unit with mods, just chatting and trying to find some freebanders QTH to report. I don't have that much time on my hands.
I actually heard one ID with his HAM call one day last week. The guy who he was talking to said, "Do you know what you just did George?" George replied, " no, ... what? ... You just gave your ham call, ... to which George replied, " Oh S###!"
Kinda makes ya wonder..... A lot of these guys are volunteer fire fighters and cop wanabees. One of them is a deputy in the next county over. (not a ham to my knowledge)
Tom WA4ILH
WA4DM
08-09-2006, 09:49 PM
Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Aug. 09 2006,09:11)]Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,12:04)]Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 09 2006,09:24)]Why would an Amateur Extra class ham talk with other ham operators (two General class and one Tech plus) #on CB Freeband (sic) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #I don't get it........ Some kind of "outlaw" appeal?
Tom WA4ILH
We have a problem in my area with CB’ers causing interference to us on 10 and 12 meters. One night while on 10 meters, I began receiving the usual interference, so I switched to AM and the 27MHz band, and began hunting the source. While looking for the source, I located a few very strong signals well below the CB band plan. One of these voices sounded very familiar, so I began making a recording. This guy was running Collins equipment, had very nice sounding audio, and was very strong, but was not the source of my interference. Anyhow, I played the recording to a fellow amateur a few weeks later, and he recognized the voice immediately, and knew exactly whom it was. It’s an Advanced ticket holder from a nearby town. I guess there must be some sort of allure to being an “outlaw”. To each their own.
I'm sure you write down the license plate of all the vehicles that pass by you at 70Mph also mmmh?
If you're gonna do something do it right! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Hey Olivier- Aren't hams supposed to set a good example and follow the rules? A $10,000 fine for operating out of band is far worse than a speeding ticket at 70 mph. If you compare operating illegally to speeding, you must not take your amateur license very serious.
Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 08 2006,08:24)]Why would an Amateur Extra class ham talk with other ham operators (two General class and one Tech plus) #on CB Freeband (sic) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #I don't get it........ Some kind of "outlaw" appeal?
Tom WA4ILH
You'd have to ask them. But since you are asking US, the best I can do is give you my best guess.
Many hams started out in the CB ranks. Some got their ham ticket so they could "go legal," and never looked back.
Some CB'ers (more recently) got their NCT ham ticket and found it to be a step DOWN from CB in terms of what they could do with radio, so they carry a strong sentimental loyalty to CB. (And get huffy any time CB is an object of satire on QRZ.COM.)
Some CB'ers made the leap to hamming, and even got up to General and Extra class, but their hearts still belong to CB, where, intellectually, they're the Big Dawgs on the block. They know that operating on illegal frequencies with illegal equipment can cost them their ham licenses, but they value their ham license cheaply, in part, because (okay, let's just acknowledge the 900 pound gorilla sitting in the middle of the room) General and Extra ham tickets aren't all that hard to get these days.
I hope nobody takes that last comment to mean that today's Extra or General ticket isn't WORTH what it was worth 35 years ago. I've said many times in this space that it's what you do AFTER you get the ticket that really counts. Ops who get the General or Extra, then bootleg on "freeband" are worthy of this kind of criticism.
Over...?
VE7NOT
08-09-2006, 09:56 PM
Quote[/b] (WA4DM @ Aug. 09 2006,14:49)]Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Aug. 09 2006,09:11)]Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,12:04)]Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 09 2006,09:24)]Why would an Amateur Extra class ham talk with other ham operators (two General class and one Tech plus) on CB Freeband (sic) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif I don't get it........ Some kind of "outlaw" appeal?
Tom WA4ILH
We have a problem in my area with CB’ers causing interference to us on 10 and 12 meters. One night while on 10 meters, I began receiving the usual interference, so I switched to AM and the 27MHz band, and began hunting the source. While looking for the source, I located a few very strong signals well below the CB band plan. One of these voices sounded very familiar, so I began making a recording. This guy was running Collins equipment, had very nice sounding audio, and was very strong, but was not the source of my interference. Anyhow, I played the recording to a fellow amateur a few weeks later, and he recognized the voice immediately, and knew exactly whom it was. It’s an Advanced ticket holder from a nearby town. I guess there must be some sort of allure to being an “outlaw”. To each their own.
I'm sure you write down the license plate of all the vehicles that pass by you at 70Mph also mmmh?
If you're gonna do something do it right! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Hey Olivier- Aren't hams supposed to set a good example and follow the rules? A $10,000 fine for operating out of band is far worse than a speeding ticket at 70 mph. If you compare operating illegally to speeding, you must not take your amateur license very serious.
Not in that country probably. Besides they have repeaters on 'freeband' there. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Aug. 09 2006,17:50)]Some CB'ers made the leap to hamming, and even got up to General and Extra class, but their hearts still belong to CB, where, intellectually, they're the Big Dawgs on the block.
Ka-ching....
ve2nsm
08-09-2006, 10:24 PM
Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ Aug. 09 2006,16:30)]I used to see gorgeous women come to the prison on visiting day. One would wonder why these women, who could have any man, would choose badboys. Well, it should be no secret to anyone here that "bad boys" are popular among women.
Are you suggesting we freeband to catch women? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ve2nsm
08-09-2006, 10:26 PM
Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ Aug. 09 2006,17:56)]Not in that country probably. Besides they have repeaters on 'freeband' there. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
You bet your a$$ we do! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Quote[/b] (kf4lne @ Aug. 09 2006,13:41)]Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Aug. 09 2006,05:41)]I know of some people who hang out on freeband b/c their friends are there and they don't want to be viewed as "traitors" who jumped ship to ham radio.
man thats a tough call. Be called a sissy traitor for being legal or risk loosing the license, thinning the wallet and being told never to transmit again...
I never said it was a smart thing to do. ;)
Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,16:58)]Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Aug. 09 2006,17:50)]Some CB'ers made the leap to hamming, and even got up to General and Extra class, but their hearts still belong to CB, where, intellectually, they're the Big Dawgs on the block.
Ka-ching....
Yep that's correct!
I know people who told me that they "never forget where they came from" as if using the CB or pirating on 11 meters is paying homage to your ancestors or something!
w8cbc
08-09-2006, 11:04 PM
ve2nsm: Quote[/b] ]Are you suggesting we freeband to catch women?
So that's why I'm not gettin' any of late! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
What the hell, the '751A is already GCT for 60 metres...
KC9GUZ
08-09-2006, 11:35 PM
Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Aug. 09 2006,09:15)]Quote[/b] (kf4lne @ Aug. 09 2006,06:35)]80 meter band wasnt open today and they were homesick?
whats with NCT ops
bad mouthing 80 meters
at every opportunity
go play with you ht
come back
with your opinion of 80 meters
after you have spent some time
hanging out between 3500 and 3725 khz
late winter night
home brew mopa warmed up
big holder 3547 rock
glow from the dial of a NC-183D
lighting the desk
cans on head
slaping a 60 year old Vibroplex Lightning Bug
Mac
Some parts of 80/75 are ok though. I dont know why so many knock this band so bad. I check into the Indiana Traffic net occasionally and its on 75 meters. No bad foul mouthed ops there.
A few years ago 6 local NCT ops were sent letters about operating on 27.585 LSB. They never were heard on that freq ever again after that.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
kf4lne
08-09-2006, 11:42 PM
So if I go out and buy the biggest, most badd-@$$est galaxy "10 meter" radio, that SB200 from ebay and a huge moonraker and operate between 27.405 and 28.000 I can pick hot women too?
Quote[/b] (kf4lne @ Aug. 08 2006,18:42)]So if I go out and buy the biggest, most badd-@$$est galaxy "10 meter" radio, that SB200 from ebay and a huge moonraker and operate between 27.405 and 28.000 I can pick hot women too?
Yes! And this is what they look like:
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/203000/203368tyBX_w.jpg
K7KBN
08-10-2006, 12:37 AM
...a box with a little red "x"?
WA4DM
08-10-2006, 12:37 AM
Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,09:26)]Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Aug. 09 2006,12:11)]Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,12:04)]Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 09 2006,09:24)]Why would an Amateur Extra class ham talk with other ham operators (two General class and one Tech plus) #on CB Freeband (sic) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #I don't get it........ Some kind of "outlaw" appeal?
Tom WA4ILH
We have a problem in my area with CB’ers causing interference to us on 10 and 12 meters. One night while on 10 meters, I began receiving the usual interference, so I switched to AM and the 27MHz band, and began hunting the source. While looking for the source, I located a few very strong signals well below the CB band plan. One of these voices sounded very familiar, so I began making a recording. This guy was running Collins equipment, had very nice sounding audio, and was very strong, but was not the source of my interference. Anyhow, I played the recording to a fellow amateur a few weeks later, and he recognized the voice immediately, and knew exactly whom it was. It’s an Advanced ticket holder from a nearby town. I guess there must be some sort of allure to being an “outlaw”. To each their own.
I'm sure you write down the license plate of all the vehicles that pass by you at 70Mph also mmmh?
If you're gonna do something do it right! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
He was NOT the source of the interference, so I filed no complaint. If he were the source, yes I would have filed.
Hey Mark- (regarding VE3NSM)
Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you through experience.
Quote[/b] (WA4DM @ Aug. 09 2006,20:37)]Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,09:26)]Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Aug. 09 2006,12:11)]Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Aug. 09 2006,12:04)]Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 09 2006,09:24)]Why would an Amateur Extra class ham talk with other ham operators (two General class and one Tech plus) on CB Freeband (sic) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif I don't get it........ Some kind of "outlaw" appeal?
Tom WA4ILH
We have a problem in my area with CB’ers causing interference to us on 10 and 12 meters. One night while on 10 meters, I began receiving the usual interference, so I switched to AM and the 27MHz band, and began hunting the source. While looking for the source, I located a few very strong signals well below the CB band plan. One of these voices sounded very familiar, so I began making a recording. This guy was running Collins equipment, had very nice sounding audio, and was very strong, but was not the source of my interference. Anyhow, I played the recording to a fellow amateur a few weeks later, and he recognized the voice immediately, and knew exactly whom it was. It’s an Advanced ticket holder from a nearby town. I guess there must be some sort of allure to being an “outlaw”. To each their own.
I'm sure you write down the license plate of all the vehicles that pass by you at 70Mph also mmmh?
If you're gonna do something do it right! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
He was NOT the source of the interference, so I filed no complaint. If he were the source, yes I would have filed.
Hey Mark- (regarding VE3NSM)
Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you through experience.
Point taken, and understood.
WA2ZDY
08-10-2006, 12:58 AM
Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Aug. 09 2006,17:50)]Some CB'ers made the leap to hamming, and even got up to General and Extra class, but their hearts still belong to CB, where, intellectually, they're the Big Dawgs on the block. They know that operating on illegal frequencies with illegal equipment can cost them their ham licenses, but they value their ham license cheaply, in part, because (okay, let's just acknowledge the 900 pound gorilla sitting in the middle of the room) General and Extra ham tickets aren't all that hard to get these days.
"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly." (Thomas Paine)
This was known in the 1770's, and hasn't changed since.
Being the big dawg on the block is worth more to these guys than their ham tickets. I think that tells us why so many older hams are against reducing the requirements for getting a ham ticket any further.
W0LPQ
08-10-2006, 01:16 AM
Amen Chris. Just as Thomas Paine said .... but no one seems to care. We, the older, more experienced operators have to adapt to new rules ... aka OM...!
Personally, I could care less what they do ... as long as they do not interfer with what I do. Their license, their money to pay. Simple.
Sorry, OM works for me. You don't like OM... oh well... it has been around for longer than you or I.
Bill, W0LPQ
K4KWH
08-10-2006, 01:29 AM
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Aug. 09 2006,12:51)]Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ Aug. 09 2006,11:55)](sorry, can't divulge the specific frequencies as they, like MARS, frown on the revealing of such info.)
But if one knows anything at all about SIGINT, the frequencies are readily identifiable...
Surely one can find frequencies, but those who are involved in the organizations are constrained from telling the frequencies--even on a one-on-one basis.
Same as MARS. Yer just not s'posed to blab!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73
W5HTW
08-10-2006, 01:30 AM
You can't completely wash the CB/Freeband out of the CBer turned ham. It's still there, pushing to get out, dying to get on "one-a them thar channels and shoot a bit of skip and toss my handle and sound pounds around." Some of these hams were CBers for 35 years, and then a few years ago, in the 1980s, they found they could "git one of them thar ham licenses." They did. But that didn't kill the CB germ inside.
I know a couple of them who would rather be on CB, runing their 100 watts, and their Leenyars, than on 20 meters, even though they are General class hams.
Just ain't possible, without a complete transfusion, to get rid of that CB blood. And maybe not with a transfusion.
Ed
K4KWH
08-10-2006, 01:35 AM
I will never understand it. Wash up a pig, put nice clothes on 'im. Leave him near a mud wallow, and he'll head right for the wallow!
(OOINK!) #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
VE7NOT
08-10-2006, 01:38 AM
Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Aug. 09 2006,18:30)].....and shoot a bit of skip and toss my handle and sound pounds around."
If you use handles on freeband you are usually ignored.
Pounds is just slang for s-meter readings. Sort of like "We have destined!" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Okay we all need a laugh
kf6rdn
08-10-2006, 03:30 AM
Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Aug. 09 2006,17:30)]I know a couple of them who would rather be on CB, runing their 100 watts, and their Leenyars, than on 20 meters, even though they are General class hams.
100 watts? For most of these dudes, that's QRP!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
ai4ep
08-10-2006, 03:33 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif like the old saying " birds of a feather tend to flock together " . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ Aug. 09 2006,18:29)]Same as MARS. Yer just not s'posed to blab!!!
Not true. I knew the Great Lakes Army MARS section commander when he was still alive; during a conversation I had with him on the subject at one time he stated there were no such restrictions in place.
Since the frequencies in question are governed by NTIA (not the FCC), a quick trip through their various databases and spectrum allocation charts will yield anything one needs in the way of assignments...
Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Aug. 09 2006,20:30)]I know a couple of them who would rather be on CB, runing their 100 watts, and their Leenyars, than on 20 meters, even though they are General class hams.
Problem is that general class hams don't have access to the DX window on phone. While there is a lot of DX above 14.225, there tends to be more below that. With 11 meters they have the whole band, unrestricted because they are pirating anyway.
And it's not like they can blame code for this one.
ai4ep
08-10-2006, 03:56 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I DID hear some truckers ( guess it was, really do not know...could have been 4 wheelers...or bicyclists or hikers ) on 27.195 on the FM mode. Is that legal ?
They were not THAT loud or THAT plain, kind of muffled distorted audio, like they were trying to hold their nose while talking in the mike to disguise their voice from being recognized ... ? { kinda sounded like yankees to me...but then any one living NORTH of me I could say is a yankee, if we wanna git technical about it }
Oh, this was one day last week...Either Wednesday or Thursday...about 10 - 11 am...before NOON any way.
Also could have been skip ( dx ) ??
I have had no formal training at all of this, so I really do not know what I heard...may have been some one near my home on channel 19 on the AM side and " bleeding over " { hope they had some bandages to stop / slow down the bleeding and got some medical attention }
never mind ............................. !!
VE7NOT
08-10-2006, 04:31 AM
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Aug. 09 2006,20:56)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I DID hear some truckers ( guess it was, really do not know...could have been 4 wheelers...or bicyclists or hikers ) on 27.195 on the FM mode. Is that legal ?
They were not THAT loud or THAT plain, kind of muffled distorted audio, like they were trying to hold their nose while talking in the mike to disguise their voice from being recognized ... ? { kinda sounded like yankees to me...but then any one living NORTH of me I could say is a yankee, if we wanna git technical about it }
Oh, this was one day last week...Either Wednesday or Thursday...about 10 - 11 am...before NOON any way.
Also could have been skip ( dx ) ??
I have had no formal training at all of this, so I really do not know what I heard...may have been some one near my home on channel 19 on the AM side and " bleeding over " { hope they had some bandages to stop / slow down the bleeding and got some medical attention }
never mind ............................. !!
27.195 is an 'Alpha channel'. Put simply its R/C. If I had my way i would have 50,000 transmitters on every alpha channel to wipe out the dumb kids toys using them. NOW THOSE ARE BELEEDOVER!
As can be expected it is not as popular with new 72Mhz r/c.
Thus often the 'A" channels are de3ad when the 'skip is down'.
When it one often any user would be am or ssb.
However you heard fm and that interests me. The only reason I could see for fm in the middle of the cb spectrum but not on the main channels.. is family comn or business comn.
.195 is a stupid channel to do that on though.
There is always 4A, 7A, 11A and 15A. I see the need or want to use fm on an unused channel there except for one comment you always make Rob:
The regular channels are dead there?
ai4ep
08-10-2006, 10:29 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Me thinks it was some folks just wanting to agitate others...get on a " half channel " next to channel 19..plus use the FM mode and attempt to aggravate others locally trying to use AM cb channel 19.
Folks in this area WILL do that kind of junk..and now that it has hit the internet, it will spread and occur more often.
Even the cheaper GALAXY rigs have FM in them, along with the " half channels, " ..etc.
So it aint like this is some big worldwide " just now found out " discovery that folks can do with their radios...it has been there since they started manufacturing the units.
Not for reliable communication, but plain old agitation. Just like some of the " roger beeps / echo mikes / reverb / etc ". only made in the long run for agitation...not reliable communication...and you already knew it.
It is all in the INTENT of the dude pushing the mike button. ...whether cb or amateur. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
WA2ZDY
08-10-2006, 01:30 PM
Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ Aug. 10 2006,00:31)]27.195 is an 'Alpha channel'. Put simply its R/C. #If I had my way i would have 50,000 transmitters on every alpha channel to wipe out the dumb kids toys using them. NOW THOSE ARE BELEEDOVER!
27.195 is NOT an "alpha" channel. The R/C channels were given the "alpha" nicknames by those voice operators who used illegally modified CB radios to use them illegally. There is no official regulation where they are designated "alpha."
The R/C channels are meant for the R/C toys. That's where those toys are supposed to be. So why exactly would you choose to intentionally interfere with them?
Just when I start to accept your explanations for your own CB involvement, you shock me back to reality with a nutty post like this one.
VE7NOT
08-10-2006, 02:17 PM
Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ Aug. 10 2006,06:30)]Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ Aug. 10 2006,00:31)]27.195 is an 'Alpha channel'. Put simply its R/C. If I had my way i would have 50,000 transmitters on every alpha channel to wipe out the dumb kids toys using them. NOW THOSE ARE BELEEDOVER!
27.195 is NOT an "alpha" channel. The R/C channels were given the "alpha" nicknames by those voice operators who used illegally modified CB radios to use them illegally. There is no official regulation where they are designated "alpha."
The R/C channels are meant for the R/C toys. That's where those toys are supposed to be. So why exactly would you choose to intentionally interfere with them?
Just when I start to accept your explanations for your own CB involvement, you shock me back to reality with a nutty post like this one.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Well the reason I refer to them as Alpha channels is simply when I look on my chart of channel-frequency its like this:
....
18- 27.175
19- 27.185
19A- 27.195
20- 27.205
....
I copyed off a cb book.
Now you asked why I have a grudge against R/C users on 27MHz.
That goes back to my teen years. I got into cb and the first thing my father noted was my new hobby was useful for family communications. So we had a good basestation and cbs in all the cars. I even had a handheld for hikes. just 4w on am channel 15 we had good reliable range of at least 10 miles and sometimes 20 depending...
Until the kid down the road brought a toy car. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Now our channel 15 is 27.135
The kid's car was on 27.145.
Can you say s-20+ of noise http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
This when on for a few weeks until I took a book and set it on the mic button and threw a 'dead key' (carrier) for quite a while.
Wathicn the kids truck out the window as it went crazy and spun in circles gave us all a laugh.
He brought a new truck on 49MHz. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
W0LPQ
08-10-2006, 03:20 PM
NOT must make you feel pretty special ... intentional interference to kill a kid's fun. Laugh indeed..!
Why not move and let him have his fun. One of the RC clubs in Iowa used to use the CB R/C channels, until one irate CB'er took his many watts and parked adjacent to the flying field. Lost 3-4 airplanes that day, until someone figured out what was happening. The club went away from CB channels to 72Mhz. The interference guy never appeared at the flying field again. Don't know what happed, don't care.
R/C toys are low power anyway.
Bill, W0LPQ
VE7NOT
08-10-2006, 03:35 PM
Quote[/b] (W0LPQ @ Aug. 10 2006,08:20)]NOT must make you feel pretty special ... intentional interference to kill a kid's fun. Laugh indeed..!
Why not move and let him have his fun. One of the RC clubs in Iowa used to use the CB R/C channels, until one irate CB'er took his many watts and parked adjacent to the flying field. Lost 3-4 airplanes that day, until someone figured out what was happening. The club went away from CB channels to 72Mhz. The interference guy never appeared at the flying field again. Don't know what happed, don't care.
R/C toys are low power anyway.
Bill, W0LPQ
Yes they are low power. But still he was only a few houses away.
Back then we were establish on channel 15 and no one bothered us. Not a simple matter of switching channels.
I was a teen then.. I had little say as to where we moved. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
72MHz is where most r/c ops are I think.
When I was a MAAC member I remember coming across guys with r/c gear and it was all 72MHz. Didn't matter then I was into free flight.
K4KWH
08-10-2006, 05:03 PM
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Aug. 09 2006,20:36)]Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ Aug. 09 2006,18:29)]Same as MARS. Yer just not s'posed to blab!!!
Not true. I knew the Great Lakes Army MARS section commander when he was still alive; during a conversation I had with him on the subject at one time he stated there were no such restrictions in place.
Since the frequencies in question are governed by NTIA (not the FCC), a quick trip through their various databases and spectrum allocation charts will yield anything one needs in the way of assignments...
When I was IN MARS, we were told not to either mention frequencies on the air or divulge them to non-MARS people. That was in the training nets. #In the *other* organization, I have documents that are labled
FOUO) (For official use only) and there are memos that state that we are not to divulge frequencies. I am sitting here with a list that gives the designators for each frequency and labled "Not to be released to anyone without prior permission of ---------- headquarters".
Again, it is NOT the fact that they are available or NOT available in published sources, it is that those people who are members are directed not to reveal them. I am not even in MARS anymore, but in today's environment, I would not tell. Loose lips sink ships! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif # And all of us would do well to curtail our eagerness to reveal radio frequencies where it pertains to *certain* organizations/activities. Many folks have had to take OPSEC (operational security) instruction because of terrorist activity where the most seemingly harmless info *may* be ill-advised fodder for our enemies! It's just good policy! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
73
Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ Aug. 10 2006,10:03)]And all of us would do well to curtail our eagerness to reveal radio frequencies where it pertains to *certain* organizations/activities. Many folks have had to take OPSEC (operational security) instruction because of terrorist activity where the most seemingly harmless info *may* be ill-advised fodder for our enemies! It's just good policy!
'Good Policy' dictates DES-128 (or better) encryption of ANY sensitive circuit - be it voice or data comms. Add to that frequency hopping and/or spread-spectrum technologies.
Then move the really sensitive stuff to UHF/microwave satcomms.
No traffic that MARS and/or CAP passes these days can even remotely be considered Confidential, let alone 'Secret'. After all - every bit of their routine net operations traffic is broadcast in the clear, and very little - if indeed any - of said traffic contains #data regarding force logistics.
The Army is a little smarter in this stuff than you give them credit for...as are those who perform ELINT/SIGINT for each 'side'...
Edit:
We find info in This Linky (Army MARS) (http://www.netcom.army.mil/mars/freq.htm) and in this letter from the Director of Navy MARS (http://www.navymars.org/national/marsltr.html) -clearly- showing frequencies of operation.
There are others.
Google is your friend.
As is a GPIB/HPIB or RS-232 controllable HF receiver (such as an RX340, Cubic R3030 and the like) along with a well-rounded skillset which involves designing and programming intelligent search algorithms and their attendant interface control routines...for all of those 'undiscovered' frequencies out there.
WA7KKP
08-10-2006, 11:11 PM
Years ago I remember when new hams (ex-freebanders) said they'd still talk to their old buddies on 10 1/2 meters . . .
That lasted about a week or two, and they simply just faded away. #I guess hams are on average a 'better class of garbage' -- [quote from the Broadway play, A Thousand Clowns]. #I can see Jason Robards saying those words . . . .
No insult intended, please don't take it as one.
Gary WA7KKP
How soon before someone publishes "Eleven Meters and Down: the Story of Citizens Band and Freeband Radio?" Of course, to really appreciate it you would have to be old enough to remember when CBers actually had mail-order licenses (cost $20 in the late 60s) and KXX-1234 style callsigns, and rigs were 23 channels. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
wa4ilh
08-11-2006, 12:51 PM
Quote[/b] (K5FH @ Aug. 10 2006,17:02)]How soon before someone publishes "Eleven Meters and Down: the Story of Citizens Band and Freeband Radio?" Of course, to really appreciate it you would have to be old enough to remember when CBers actually had mail-order licenses (cost $20 in the late 60s) and KXX-1234 style callsigns, and rigs were 23 channels. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Or, when CB rigs were just a few crystal controlled channels and you had to whoose which ones to buy crystals for.
Tom WA4ILH
Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 11 2006,05:51)]Quote[/b] (K5FH @ Aug. 10 2006,17:02)]How soon before someone publishes "Eleven Meters and Down: the Story of Citizens Band and Freeband Radio?" #Of course, to really appreciate it you would have to be old enough to remember when CBers actually had mail-order licenses (cost $20 in the late 60s) and KXX-1234 style callsigns, and rigs were 23 channels. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Or, when CB rigs were just a few crystal controlled channels and you had to whoose which ones to buy crystals for.
Tom WA4ILH
It didn't start with the advent of the 'Export' radios either. Anyone remember the old Pal or Siltronix VFOs?
(Drifty POSes that they were...)
WA2ZDY
08-11-2006, 04:05 PM
Siltronix was Swan. Swan's reputation, poor as it already was due to the junk they made, was heading south and they wanted to save what was left of it. So they changed the name on their illegal CB rigs, oops, I mean 10m ham rigs, to Siltronix. The 1011 as I recall and it looked mostly like a Swan Signet 270.
Oh yeah, heard LOTS of them on 10m. NOT
wa4ilh
08-11-2006, 04:40 PM
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Aug. 11 2006,07:42)]Quote[/b] (wa4ilh @ Aug. 11 2006,05:51)]Quote[/b] (K5FH @ Aug. 10 2006,17:02)]How soon before someone publishes "Eleven Meters and Down: the Story of Citizens Band and Freeband Radio?" Of course, to really appreciate it you would have to be old enough to remember when CBers actually had mail-order licenses (cost $20 in the late 60s) and KXX-1234 style callsigns, and rigs were 23 channels. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Or, when CB rigs were just a few crystal controlled channels and you had to whoose which ones to buy crystals for.
Tom WA4ILH
It didn't start with the advent of the 'Export' radios either. Anyone remember the old Pal or Siltronix VFOs?
(Drifty POSes that they were...)
although I was never a CBer, a friend of mine in High School had a CB radio that had only one crystal socket on the front panel. If you wanted to change channels, you had to reach down and change the crystal.. This was MANY years ago. back when CB call signs in New Jersey started with the prefix "2Q" (followed by about four numbers) I believe his call was somthing like "Two Queen Five Four Six Eight". Actually, this was his father's radio because we were in about the 9th grade at the time. I think there was actually a minimum age to get a CB license back in the late 50's early 60's.. could be wrong on that.....
Tom WA4ILH
WA2ZDY
08-11-2006, 07:25 PM
The minimum age for a CB license was always 18. Actually maybe it was 21 back before the legal age was dropped to 18.
I had a CB, after I was a ham, to keep in touch with my peers around town who were not hams. In the 70s everyone had a CB, or so it seemed. But my mother had a license for it as I was smart enough not to let my ham ticket hang out to dry. The callsign on that license was KASZ8247.
My mother and grandmother used CB back in the very early 60s when I was very young also. When I got interested in ham radio, one of their CBs, and Eico of some sort was still around. It was a one channel set with a continuously tunable 1-23 receiver.
They had used two of them. One was in the house with an aluminum antenna that I recall looking something like a Shakespeare Big Stick (which of course was fiberglass, not aluminum.) The radio in the car was used with a 102 inch whip on a ball mount. I have no idea how well they worked; I don't remember anything more than that they talked to each other on them.
My mother and grandmother are examples of how CB was meant to be used in the beginning.
K4KWH
08-14-2006, 01:23 AM
Swans had a reputation for drifting. But you know, I had a couple of 700 CX's, and if you turned the filaments on awhile before using it, it wasn't *too* bad. Oh, I would have to "touch up" the tuning once in awhile during a QSO, but it really wasn't THAT bad.
I DID have a QSO with a guy who had a Swan 500 up on 10 one time, and I "chased" him up and down the band, up and down trying to maintain contact. That was a bit of a bother. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ Aug. 13 2006,18:23)]Swans had a reputation for drifting. But you know, I had a couple of 700 CX's, and if you turned the filaments on awhile before using it, it wasn't *too* bad. Oh, I would have to "touch up" the tuning once in awhile during a QSO, but it really wasn't THAT bad.
I DID have a QSO with a guy who had a Swan 500 up on 10 one time, and I "chased" him up and down the band, up and down trying to maintain contact. That was a bit of a bother. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Same here - a friend (N8IHF) had a 350 and it was a band-walker. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Swan got their act together with the introduction of the Astro series - the 102BX and 150/151. All solid state; the 102 was PTO tuned and the 15x rigs were synthesized. Very minimal drift with either, and both built like a tank.
Which is why they priced themselves out of the market...